Mexicans irritated by Bush's plan for border troops

Seattle Times ^ | 16 May 2006 | Hugh Dellios

[Racehorse]

Mexicans chafed Monday at the notion that President Bush wants to send National Guard troops to help enforce the U.S.-Mexico border, even as President Vicente Fox tried to downplay the seriousness of the move.

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"It's worrying," said Arturo Solis, an immigrant-rights activist in Reynosa, across the border from McAllen, Texas. "The bad thing is that the American government is insisting on confusing immigration with a criminal problem."

The move reminded some historians of 1913, when President William Taft sent troops to the Texas border. Mexico was in the midst of a chaotic revolution, and Taft was warning Mexican generals and rebels not to harm U.S. interests south of the border.

The U.S. Army invaded Mexico in 1916 after revolutionary Pancho Villa and his men raided the border town of Columbus, N.M.

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Some criticized Fox for appearing to acquiesce to Bush's Guard plan. Some saw an ulterior motive — that Fox wants to help Bush persuade Congress to pass a wider immigration overhaul before Mexico's July 2 presidential election, which would allow Fox to claim success and help his party's candidate, Felipe Calderon.

[TomGuy]

Vincente doesn't have much to worry about. F&F this morning said that the number of NG's was 10,000 on Sunday, but went down to 6,000 AFTER Vincente's call to GW.

Looking back at the actual speech, however, even that 6,000 is a hedge number which could be nothing more than parsing and nuancing. The exact quote is:

"...up to 6,000 Guard members will be deployed to our southern border."

"up to" could mean half a dozen up to 6,000. The Adminstration, instead of hiring some 2,000 new BP agents the Congress allowed for, only hired some 300.

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Another poster in another thread found this nuancing/parsing:

Also, notice he said "reduce" not stop illegals.

​ ​​​​We will continue to work cooperatively to improve security on both sides of the border ... to confront common problems like drug trafficking and crime ... and to reduce illegal immigration.

He still intends to keep the gates open.

104 posted on 05/16/2006 7:12:40 AM CDT by raybbr

[raybbr]

Also, notice he said "reduce" not stop illegals.

​ ​​​​We will continue to work cooperatively to improve security on both sides of the border ... to confront common problems like drug trafficking and crime ... and to reduce illegal immigration.

He still intends to keep the gates open.

[Coop]

Mexicans irritated by Bush's plan for border troops

I'm quite comfortable with that.

[Mo1]

no one ever has accused those south of the border of exhibiting any degree of rational thought....

You're right .. and just think how they would react if we put heavily armed military down on the border

[Pistolshot]

Funny how history repeats itself. In the early part of the last century, Mexican revolutions and continual changes in the government warranted the stationing of US troops along the border to secure American interests from raiding by all the factions fighting in Mexico.

Villa's raid on Columbus, and the 13th Cavalry stationed there, was in response to a failure of the Wilson government on Mexican policy.

Now, fast forward to 2006. The President is now authorizing the security of the border to the National Guard, which was also used in 1916 to secure the border. It makes sense to use this force on OUR side of the border to help build the fences/walls and monitor the areas that are not as heavily travelled. The Border Patrol is thin enough on the border, the NG will only help to get more eyes to search, install the technology to locate and detain illegals as they cross.

There is an added benefit to this force in the area. If there are bandits, Mexican soldiers, druggies, the Mexican Mafia, etc, using US soil for sanctuary, drug-running, there is now adequate force to meet them head-on.

[GA_Joe]

It is time to make your feelings known. Call or write your Senators and tell them to vote "No" on the Hagel-Martinez Immigration bill(http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060515-122825-2467r.htm). If this bill becomes law, not only will amnesty be granted to the 10-15 million illegal aliens already in the U.S., the newly-naturalized citizens will be able to bring their entire extended families to the U.S., including their elderly parents. This could increase the cost of Social Security, already in dire straits, and other welfare programs by $30 billion per year or more. Members of Congress work for us; contact them and tell them to vote:

-No to doubling the number of visas granted annually,
-No to amnesty for aliens currently in the United States illegally,
-No to the "Guest Worker Program,"
-No to an increase in immigration of unskilled laborers at the expense of highly skilled and highly educated immigrants,
-No to "self-petitioning" for permanent residency,
-No to importing poverty from other countries,
-No to increasing the welfare state and giving benefits to people with no contribution to the system

Now is the time to contact your Senators/Reps and make your feelings know. Now is the time to tell your representatives that the American people want security not amnesty. Now is the time to prevent this bill from even coming to a vote.

Now is the time to let your voice be heard; not through protests, demonstrations, and mob-rule; but the way our forefathers intended: through our representative government.

NOW!

[satchmodog9]

Even though your statement is correct, the ahole in the article meant his words to be taken in a different manner. He is an open border advocate and he does not want any legal impediment to his agenda.

[VanDeKoik]

"It's worrying," said Arturo Solis, an immigrant-rights activist in Reynosa, across the border from McAllen, Texas. "The bad thing is that the American government is insisting on confusing immigration with a criminal problem."

I'm sorry if this comes across the wrong way, but are the majority of Mexicans this stupid? How on Earth do you make a statement like this and not catch how foolish you sound?

[Racehorse]

The Constitution in Art 4 Sec 4 makes it a federal responsibility to repel invasion. If Bush invokes THAT, he could (but won't) use the National Guard to actually defend the border. But by calling it a "Law Enforcement" problem, he cannot use the National Guard as police;

He could call forth the Guard as Militia of the United States rather than as reserves of the Armed Forces to enforce the law.  Citizens of Mississippi and Alabama living during the early 1960s may have memories of what that means.

But, early rumors are the Guard will not be called up under Title 10 "Armed Forces," but will serve under Title 32 "National Guard."  Nominally, this means the Guard remains under the authority of the State.  Therefore, no posse comitatus issues.  Early rumors also say Texas Guardsmen will be armed but will not have direct apprehension roles.

[stinkerpot65]

http://mexica-movement.org/timexihcah/KNOWLEDGELIBERATION.htm

The long term plan ...

[Uddercha0s]

and have their own troops on their southern border.

[Coldwater Creek]

If the Mexican's are against the plan, then I am for it!!!!!!

[loreldan]

Why should the Mexicans care what we do on our side of the border?

[garyhope]

"Mexicans irritated by Bush's plan for border troops"

I'm "irritated" by 20 million or more illegal, non assimilating, resource sucking, non tax paying, criminal thugs and parasites in our country and by a foreign "president" trying to tell us how to run our own country and by our own president not doing enough to stop an invasion and war by other means.

[Mayflower Sister]

NO TO ANCHOR BABIES !

[alloysteel]

Mexicans irritated?

President George W. Bush must have offered a useful initative. Because up to now, Americans have been irritated to varying degrees.

Time to share a little of the irritation.

Annexing Mexico and treating it the way we do Puerto Rico seems to be a more practical course of action all the time.

[OB1kNOb]

NO TO ANCHOR BABIES !

AMEN! - BTTT.

[Roccus]

"How dumb and blind do they think we are?"
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VERY! And in light of what's being said and done in DC, they're right!

[Menehune56]

You got that right. If there's going to be a ''guest'' worker program, birthright citizenship has to end. Otherwise the ''guests'' get to stay indefinitely to take card of their little US citizens.

[gpapa]

U.S. Code, Section 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.