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President's Immigration speech - Live thread
me | 05/15/2006 | me

Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617

Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I searched but did not see a thread already open for tonights speech. I think this is the most important speech the President will probably make for the remainder of his term.


Mod Note:
This could turn into a whack-a-troll thread. All immigration trolls that would like to participate should post here. It'll be interesting to see if we mods can whack the trolls faster than they can sign up new accounts.
Jim


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: anchorbabies; bohica; borderspeech; bush; bushspeech; criminalaliens; enforcement; govwatch; guestworker; incompetence; invasion; scamnesty; shamnesty; speech; temporaryworker; test; trojanhorse
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To: marsh_of_mists

"I wonder if there is anything he could have said tonight that would have pleased them."

They've been screaming it for weeks:

(1) A physical fence the entire length of the border, and
(2) No guest worker or other amnesty at the present time.

That's been the core of it.
I'm not even a BorderBot, but I got it.
The President and his men got it too, but they do not want to alienate the business base, do they are adamant in their refusal to do it.

Unfortunately, that almost certainly means the exit of the BorderBots this election cycle, which in turn means a Democratic Congress.

I do not agree that Bush was operating in a fog.
It was really very clear what Border Conservatives wanted. He did not give them either point.


2,101 posted on 05/15/2006 7:43:48 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (La nuit tombe.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Exactly..... some people listened to two words, and started running their mouths.........

This place ist just impossible to read anymore.....


2,102 posted on 05/15/2006 7:43:51 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: maxter
I do wish he was perfect though.

People would complain that he is too perfect. LOL

2,104 posted on 05/15/2006 7:44:23 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Danae

> sayin "DEPORT THEM" or what ever, you are just NOT recognizing reality.

Ok, so let's not put any criminals in jail - killers etc, they are already here, commiting crimes, just "recognizing reality"!

We can't put millions of criminals to jail! Or build walls around them.


2,106 posted on 05/15/2006 7:44:59 PM PDT by b2stealth
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Nixon got a lot of them, though, by that time, a majority of blacks were firmly on the Dem plantation.


2,107 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: TexasPatriot8

"I flat don't get how this speech helps the democrats."

Millions of BorderBots exited stage right tonight.

If they don't change their mind, that dooms the GOP to loss in November.


2,108 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:15 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (La nuit tombe.)
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To: Spiff

I totally agree with that. I don't know why so many think it has to be both. I want to see a secure border before I see any plan to deal with illegals here now. If the border is secure first then there would be more room for coompromise on what to do with those here.


2,109 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:21 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: kabar
His proposal will not stop the flow of illegals into the US. We don't need the same kind of security for the Canadian border. Canada has a system of controlling and enforcing immigration. There is not the same wealth disparity between the US and Canada, Nor does Canada have the same problems as Mexico in terms corruption and demograhpics. We need more physical barriers on the southern border.

You make some good points. However, I must disagree on the point that more security isn't needed on the northern border.

I'm a lawyer and for one and a half years, did contract work for Lexis/Nexis Canada, and I asked for work on immigration cases, among other topics.

Canada has lost control, basically, of many thousands of its immigrants. In the 39-thousands, I believe, of people they're looking for.

I am really tired and wiped out, but I will find this info. I'm telling you, the northern border is not secure.

H*ll, I have actually talked to people (my husband is from northern Canada) who have walked from northern Quebec into Maine, to go hunting.

2,110 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:28 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (Come on, Gary, act! (I finally saw Team America and am still laughing))
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To: DCPatriot

I am speaking for myself and to all who believe we must enforce the borders first and allow no amnesty for illegals.
If you don't agree, that is your choice.


2,111 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:30 PM PDT by armchairadmiral
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To: TexasPatriot8
I guess the trolls are out enmasse tonight.

It's always fun to see a newbie call someone a troll.

2,112 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:34 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

You're right, now tell me how many TX "moderates" were denied renomination on March 7. I don't think there were any, were there? There were not that many strong conservatives who even won nomination in state legislative primaries. The former TX Democrats have taken over the GOP!


2,113 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:43 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Bobbisox; ideas_over_party

I am ever so humbly sorry but I meant to sent his to the object of evident affection, rather than to you. Am-bare-assed truly for this mistake.


2,114 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:45 PM PDT by kcar ( Are aerial drones like the people in Hoolywood?)
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To: amutr22
No, it doesn't. It just means you deserve what you get in '06.

I don't think they care. They don't think politically, they think about their one issue and punishing whomever they think is responsible at the moment, primarily the incumbents.

It's not conservative. It's wacked.

2,115 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:57 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: altura
"Love the change."

I hope you're not being sarcastic. That was one of my suggestions along with some other folks: to ban that phrase "job Americans won't do" from Bush's vocabulary. (That phrase implies that we're too soft or too lazy to do some jobs.) "Jobs we're not doing" is a MUCH better choice of words. I didn't listen to the speech, so I hope you're quoting him correctly. I assume that you are.

2,116 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:57 PM PDT by defenderSD (Every rock guitarist I know seems to have an axe to grind.)
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To: Iscool

Your cutsie posts don't change the fact that Bush said clearly he would not sign any bill that proposed amnesty. You can't ignore that fact. Go read the speach. You are not making sense.


2,117 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:59 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Vote Republican. A conservative America, for a better future.)
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To: OldFriend

True; sadly. :-(


2,118 posted on 05/15/2006 7:46:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Peach
Just some unappeasable freepers. Some things never change.

That's right, and quite a few too from looking at several other threads.

I like his third point about the card with digital type fingerprints for employers to verify. That could be a big step to stop their influx.
j

2,119 posted on 05/15/2006 7:46:15 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: TexasPatriot8
I agree. This is like the juvie FR board or something. Bush practically knocked me down tonight saying all the things that me and most conservatives have been wanting for years when it comes to the borders and illegals. I bet Limbaugh and Hannity are all over this speach tomorrow saying how "it's about time!". Tancredo liked it a LOT and really supported Bush on this speach, and given the fact that he co-founded the Minutemen that says it all.

Tancredo cofounded the Minutemen? I thought Jim Gilchrist and Chris Simcox founded the Minutemen. But if Tancredo had a role, all I have to say is 'great'.

I think Bush's speech was definately a step in the right direction. But in my opinion, politicians should consider the shotgun option: use every resource simultaneously until an impact is made--then optimize. Sure, the shotgun approach wastes money but noone can say it is ineffective. We, as a nation, have used the approach many times on matters of national significance, perhaps with the most famous use being during the Manhattan Project. If we were to use the shotgun approach here we would build a fence, support the Minutemen, vastly increase the Border Patrol, give local and federal law enforcement the same authority as the Minutemen, place the National Guard on the Border in large numbers with the same authority as the Border Patrol, vastly increase the enforcement of immigration violations away from the border and against employers, etc., with each item intended to be redundant--not just suporting.

2,120 posted on 05/15/2006 7:46:17 PM PDT by burzum (A single reprimand does more for a man of intelligence than a hundred lashes for a fool.--Prov 17:10)
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