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Groups Fight Rule on Aid to Students-(drug convictions=No Aid)
L A Times ^ | May 15, 2006 | Seema Mehta

Posted on 05/15/2006 12:02:33 PM PDT by radar101

After Marisa Garcia was busted for possessing a pipe with marijuana residue, she pleaded guilty, paid a $415 fine and thought she had paid her debt to society.

She was wrong: When she applied for federal financial aid to attend Cal State Fullerton, she learned she was ineligible because of the misdemeanor conviction.

"I was thinking I made this horrible mistake which is going to ruin my access to education," said Garcia, 25, of Santa Fe Springs. The sociology major's mother is refinancing her home mortgage to help pay Garcia's fees . "You've already been punished and now you get punished twice … and I don't think that punishment is benefiting anyone," Garcia said.

She is among hundreds of thousands of students denied federal student aid or who didn't apply for it because drug convictions made them ineligible under a 1998 amendment to the Higher Education Act intended to deter student drug use.

The huge number of denials has sparked a backlash by students, educators and civil libertarians who are seeking to repeal the drug-conviction provision through Congress and the courts.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: drugs; studentaid; warondrugs; wod; wodlist
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1 posted on 05/15/2006 12:02:37 PM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

This is a very stupid law.


2 posted on 05/15/2006 12:03:46 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

It is but didn't see such an uproar over the Launteberg amendment. Have a case of domestic violence in your past and you can't get a gun permit. Lost a few soldiers over this since the law was retroactive.

Heck, don't plead guilty to anything. If the judge ask, you can state these two laws as your reason to take your case to trial.


3 posted on 05/15/2006 12:07:25 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: radar101

Great idea!


4 posted on 05/15/2006 12:07:49 PM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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To: radar101

A CLINTON ERA law, none the less.


5 posted on 05/15/2006 12:10:57 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: mlc9852
So there is at least anecdotal evidence that people who use drugs are less motivated, less driven, and perhaps less responsible than their counterparts. This law says that if you have a history of using drugs, we're not going to grant you money for an education.

Why is that bad?

7 posted on 05/15/2006 12:13:37 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: mlc9852

I had to fight to get into college; not because of drugs, but because of selective service. I was in the Navy when the requirement to register for selective service was enacted. We were told at the time that active duty military personnel did not have to register. We were told wrong. You cannot get admitted to college if you did not register for selective service, nor can you be hired for a federal job.

I finally had to get a letter from the selective service that says, basically, that the fact that I served my country honorably is de facto evidence that I was not attempting to avoid military service, and am therefore exempt from the registration requirements. Along with every college application, and any time that I apply for a federal job, I have to show this letter along with my DD214, and go through the battle with administrators all over again.

Some laws really are stupid.


8 posted on 05/15/2006 12:16:24 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Lou L

How many college graduates in the past 30 years never used any type of illegal substance?


9 posted on 05/15/2006 12:17:24 PM PDT by mlc9852
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let's see: if I am a private lender, I am going to review the people who come to me with a loan application and past experience will tell me that people with drug convictions are a very bad credit risk.

Apparently private lenders are allowed to act rationally, but the taxpayer is not permitted to.

This law is a wise law indeed, and unlike most laws governing the allocation of tax money it will actually save money.

10 posted on 05/15/2006 12:17:49 PM PDT by wideawake
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"This is a very stupid law."

Why is it a stupid law, mlcnnnn? Why should we be financing the college education of druggies? If we're serious about not encouraging our youth to go ahead and use drugs, then this should be a good deterrent, don't you think?

I'm a little puzzled.

Suppose they had a law that denied college financing to young women who had abortions?


11 posted on 05/15/2006 12:17:50 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: wyattearp

Unbelievable!


12 posted on 05/15/2006 12:18:19 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

"How many college graduates in the past 30 years never used any type of illegal substance?"

I don't know. However, it's pretty easy to find out how many were convicted of drug offenses, isn't it? I'm still puzzled at your objection to this law. I thought you were all about objective morality.


13 posted on 05/15/2006 12:20:23 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: radar101
and I don't think that punishment is benefiting anyone," Garcia said.

Sorry, there are consequences to actions....... I feel benefited because you actions show you can't think beyond your nose. You can still go to college, it is just that I am not going to pay for it.
14 posted on 05/15/2006 12:22:10 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: radar101; mlc9852
From the article: "A drug conviction is the only crime that triggers a denial in student aid.

The article is wrong. See my post #8. Failure to register for selective service is another trigger, even for people who were in the military. Nowadays, they automatically register military personnel for selective service during the discharge process. They had to do this because there are a lot of people like me out there.

15 posted on 05/15/2006 12:24:32 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Lou L
Why is that bad?

Because people grow up. However, the article does say that the ban on drug use is only for one year for people that have only been convicted once. Also, they are not talking about just grants, they are also talking about student loans and college admission.

16 posted on 05/15/2006 12:26:25 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: wideawake
let's see: if I am a private lender, I am going to review the people who come to me with a loan application and past experience will tell me that people with drug convictions are a very bad credit risk.

Based on this article, it seems like the girl did not know her ability to get a federal student loan would be lost by pleading guilty to a minor charge. If she knew the consequences, she may have been able to make a plea deal to a different charge to avoid a trial and to keep her eligeabilty for federal aid. I think the schools need to stress this issue from the very beginning - get a drug conviction, no $ from Uncle Sam for college.

17 posted on 05/15/2006 12:32:36 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: radar101
A deeper question: why would the fed (or momma) fund a worthless major ?

The sociology major's mother is refinancing her home mortgage to help pay Garcia's fees

18 posted on 05/15/2006 12:33:20 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: radar101
"I was thinking I made this horrible mistake which is going to ruin my access to education," said Garcia, 25

Your "horrible mistake" is not ruining your access to education. You are perfectly within your rights to PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN COLLEGE!

If she is this stupid what good will college do her?

19 posted on 05/15/2006 12:33:20 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: radar101

This law is dumb. They shouldn't lose their money.


20 posted on 05/15/2006 12:35:37 PM PDT by mysterio
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