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Fine employers, no jobs, they will walk out themselves.

I have been hearing this delusional proposition for the last five years. How many employers are you going to fine for this to happen? 2%, 10%, 30%?.... It will not happen and you must get realistic about this issue.

Most illegal immigrants are hired by small businesses and not big companies, it is much harder to track gas stations, cleaning firms, restaurants, families that hire "nannies", etc...

Putting troops on the borders is yet the most important attempt ever to stop illegal immigration. Also the illegal immigrants who are here must never obtain citizenship if they recieve documents to legally work in the US. This is the most realistic and effective solution.

The Roman army had a technique called "decimation". If a legion had a major infraction, the commander would execute one in ten of the soldiers. The survivors got a clue and straightened up.
Smack one in ten, or one in one hundred lawbreaking businesses, and the rest might get a hint.

And never underestimate the resolve of the US government to actively pursue fines. Have a look at the zeal of the IRS for example.

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This is a perfect example of what government does best. Create a problem, then create a solution. Or try to fix a problem and create two more problems.

I agree that the pols and elite and whoever else do not want to force the illegals to go home and they surely will not unless the law abiding citizens raise enough fuss.

If they are so hard to track outsource the problem to a credit card company. They will track them.

The troops on the border is just them blowing smoke on the worker bees to pacify them and make them settle down and like it.

I agree with your next to last sentence and I think your first paragraph desribes what will happen. I think the swamp will blow enough smoke that the 20 million who are here will get amnesty and citizenship. Americans are too comfortable to fight it.

For the delusional amongst us, the SS Administration can in fact fine them all, they know when SSNs are forged and when they are legitimate. SSNs must match up to W-2 forms. All that has to be done is for the SSA to turn the bogus numbers over to the federal police agency of choice. Once the SS roles are clear of illegals --- If the employer doesn't have the ability to deduct wages paid to illegals, then the practice will stop. Small and large employers will be in a box, no way to deduct illegal wage expenses, and still have to pay taxes on the wages paid to illegals as if they were profits. A very bad squeeze on especially the bottom line of small businesses.

The only jobs not caught up in this trap is the cash economy jobs, a small portion of the jobs. I doubt they will last long.

The hold up is the SSA won't turn over the SSN information to the IRS and then to the police -- that can be fixed easily.

Build the wall, fix the SSA-IRS, and let the fines begin. No delusion required.

How many employers are you going to fine for this to happen? 2%, 10%, 30%?.... It will not happen and you must get realistic about this issue.

The IRS has intimidated the entire country into paying taxes. What percentage do they prosecute?

How many employers are you going to fine for this to happen? 2%, 10%, 30%?.... It will not happen and you must get realistic about this issue.

I think if you will tolerate employment of these people, you must, in fairness, legalize them.

I think YOU are being unrealistic about the deterrent effect of proper employer enforcement, though.

Let's say, for example, that years ago I had hired an illegal nanny (just pretend). Let's say that the hypothetical me had said, "I won't get caught, and if I do, I'll pay the taxes and the fine".

Now, strict cost-beneft analysis says this works, especially if you want a culturally-appropriate nanny.

Now, suppose there was a 1/200 chance of me, many years ago, going to prison for 18 months for hiring this hypothetical nanny.

There is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER that I would have done so. NONE.

I think that if 100 employers were sent to prison (this would not be hard at all), the problem would be over.