Posted on 05/15/2006 2:13:16 AM PDT by wotan
Government To Go After Employers Of Illegals?
The government lies so much about its intent to crack down on illegals that it is hard to take this seriously.
The government plans to crack down ever harder on employers who harbor and hire illegal immigrants, pursuing companies that ignore the law so they can exploit cheap labor.
"We are going to move beyond the current level of activity to a higher level in each month and year to come," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday. He pledged to "come down as hard as possible" on violators.
Has something changed? The trend in recent years has been toward weaker and weaker enforcement.
(Excerpt) Read more at parapundit.com ...
I posted this last night, fits here....
We are all suckers, repub's and demophilth alike. All this speech tomorrow will be about is lets mollify the rabble(read voters).
Does anyone actually think the "political donor" class would EVER give up "an unlimited supply of $8 dollar an hour workers"?
This is ALL about economics, always has been. Why are the "political donor" class clamoring for more high-teck workers every year? The more foreign teck workers the "political donor class" can get into the country the lower the pay of all teck workers. This problem can be placed at the feet of the greedy, who would sell out America for an extra 1/2% return on investment.
Now imagine the ripple effect on the economy that "an unlimited supply of $8 an hour workers" has? Ask anyone with a background in economics what happens when supply is increased, then ask what happens when supply is unlimited.
We are being screwed by the politicians who owe all the the 'employer/political donor' class.
Call me what you will, but I do know that you need wealthy people to live in a wealthy country. I suffer no "class envy", but I believe the game is now being rigged by those with the money to rig the system.
I have heard the LIE spoken from the mouth of our president, whom I may add I walked precincts for in the last 2 general elections, "they are just doing the jobs Americans do not want to do".
The truth is simply "Why pay the wages an American would demand when a criminal immigrant would do this job for $8 an hour".
This could be the death of the middle class, IMHO. This is ALL about keeping wages down of the majority for the benefit of the minority.
And why can't they accept it and then run a check with the issuing authority?
The truth is cheap illegal labor ain't cheap when you add the load on services they ain't cheap.And they usually avoid taxes,by claiming lots of dependents.
I am sure that this is a naive question (and I'm not from Rio Linda, dammit!), but do employers know that they are hiring illegal immigrants?
See #16. Discrimination laws. They can't make phone calls to issuing authorities. They can't do *anything*. Zero. Nada. Zilch. In theory the IRS would be the one to catch disrepancies.
Same way we can be reasonably sure of any other Hispanic's citizenship status with a few minutes' observation.
The argument that an employer can't determine if a person is illegal is a red herring. What other crime do we throw our hands up in the air and not enforce because its hard to prove. If you start filling on these people and they have to defend it they will find a way to determine if that new hire is legal.
Some employers recruit them! These are the ones we should go after first.
Yea sure! this will last all of two weeks and then when the pressures off the Administration so will the number of prosecutions for hiring illegal aliens. We'll see.
Every new job I have had I needed to bring in my passport (or other proof of US Citizenship) on the first day of work.
How do these employers get away with it?
I've always believed in being positive on a Monday morning... ;)
Strange, when I was hired last year for part time work at a local bank they checked out my SSA# and it had a typo in it...bounced back within 4 days....was I discriminated against?
Secure the border first! If the first approach is removing illegals, We can expect a huge backlash against consumers.
Tonight will be a total waste of time. It's just putting the final signature to turn the country over to Fox.
Assuming the SSN wasn't repeated elsewhere in a way such that they could've caught a typo, and assuming they did the verification independently and not the IRS, sure seems like it. I'll readily admit ignorance of your situation, but it's far more likely the IRS did it IMHO. I'm very sure that there's no way for employers to do ID verification checks legally, though.
Sounds like you're the only one here that knows the true situation. Here's some background for the other posters that are not familiar with the details:
The 1986 Act included what is referred to as the 'I-9' process; that's what posters are referencing when they are asked for ID, etc. However, the I-9 process has NO means of verifying the VALIDITY of the documents - none. More importantly, it prevents employers from asking anything about them, other than just asking for them.
So Tyson and the other thousands (millions?) of businesses don't even have to pay cash - they can legally employ illegals by simply processing their I-9 paperwork. There have been anecdotal stories leaked from the SSA/IRS that some SSNs have had thousands of W-2s issued under the same number/name. But it doesn't pop-up to employers - all they can check is that the SSN exists.
As I've stated in all my posts on this subject, we don't really need a wall. We need an EO from Bush directing the SSA/IRS to immediately make available a SSN verification system. Then begin to enforce our existing labor/immigration/employment laws.
With just a few tweaks, we'd start seeing teenagers working in fast-food joints and Dads out mowing the lawn again.
I should add, if it isn't evident, that these documents are fraudulent. One of Mexico's top crime family controls the trade in excellent quality fraudulent documents.
Then obviously this is the sore spot and the tumor that nobody wants to touch.
This is a wild idea, but perhaps instead of an amnesty program for illegals, why not an amnesty program for employers? Give them a subsidy for a certain amount of months which equals the hourly wage difference between an illegal worker vs. a legal worker. Would legal workers and Americans do those jobs? I guess that's the question. My contention is Yes.
But my new theory is that Dubya has a very young wife with his beautiful mezcla kids living across the border and Vicente knows this, so this is why he is so out of it on this issue.
Thanks for filling in the exact details and for the citations! I'm not a lawyer, all I remember is reading a hazy legal article from a long time ago, so it's nice to have that handy. :o)
And, yes, your proposal would be excellent and one I enthusiastically support as the most practical solution for illegal immigration. BUMP!
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