[kabar]

JMHO, a lot (not all) would go back if we withdrew social services for illegals and cracked down on employers who hire illegal workers instead of guest workers (who they pay higher wages).

Go back to what? The reality is that we have on our southern border a relatively poor, third world country with a corrupt government, which presides over a population of 107 million people with a median age of 25.3 compared to our 36.5 years. Mexico has a birth rate of 20.7 per 1000 compared to our 14 per 1000 and a fertility rate of 2.4 compared to our 2.1. 40% of the population lives below their poverty line. And conditions are even worse in Central America where many immigrants come to the US transiting Mexico.

What this means is that the pressure for the poor and uneducated in Mexico and Latin America to come to the US will increase in the future. They will come via guest worker programs or illegally. And the numbers will be greater and greater due to population and economic pressures. We can't legislate our way out of this problem. We will need to have secure borders or we will be innundated with illegal immigrants. That's the demographics and the reality we are dealing with.

Illegals from Mexico and the rest of Latin America [and elsewhere] regardless of what we do internally, will be attracted to come here. Being poor and uneducated in the US compared to being there is a no brainer. They want to come to the US and many will do whatever it takes to get here. Many have relatives and friends in the US who will help them along with religious groups.

The same thing is happening now as happened in our past, i.e., immigrants set up their networks and bring folks from the old country into their places of concentration in the US. They act as support groups getting people settled, including providing them with food, shelter, and jobs.

The pressures to get into the US from Mexico and Latin America will be far greater in ten to twenty years. It is a political and demographic reality. You must cut off the supply before you can effectively deal with those who are here

[Arizona Carolyn]

Go back to what?

Their families who were left behind, and many send money home to, for one instance.

[rcocean]

You actually understate the problem.

There are hundreds of millions of people from all over the world, Africa, Central America, China, and India, who are very poor and would love to move here.

Of the 11 illegals, almost 3 million are Visa over-stayers (sic). Anyone can fly here, on a Visa from anywhere, and then refuse to leave. Eventually they will become a citizen under the Senate "Amnesty" plan.

[CedarDave]

They will come via guest worker programs or illegally. And the numbers will be greater and greater due to population and economic pressures. We can't legislate our way out of this problem. We will need to have secure borders or we will be innundated with illegal immigrants. That's the demographics and the reality we are dealing with.

My candidate for post of the day. This reality must be kept in front in of our politicans, though RAT politicans look at it as an opportunity to get/keep them in power. For us, it's about our way of life; for them it's a way to control government and dictate the way of life they think we should have.