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To: rodguy911; All
Happy Mother's Day ... all you FReepers! I'll repost something from earlier in the week about the NSA program .. and I'm sick that NOT ONE so-called journalist or even a Pubbie being interviewed chose to be factual and straighten out the misperception:

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NSA - Lying Rage (Clinton haunting continues)

After telling you yesterday that all this stuff about NSA phone number farming is OLD news and in fact TWELEVE Years old, and the fact that Mr. Hagel is full of crap when he feigns ignorance and outrage (He can forget the Presidential race in 2008 - he's already anathema to the Right).

But a fact of that previous post needs repeating over and over again because it's the only way the truth will get told.

Democrats that are complaining about NSA phone number farming have no one to bitch to but themselves.

Now some of the media are bringing it out. I picked up on this article in the New York Sun that shows again if anyone is angry at the Government, they need to get angry at the right group.

"No sooner had the man who ran the National Security Agency for years been nominated to head the CIA than USA Today rushed out details of our efforts to use technical means to find terrorists using the phones.

And no sooner had USA Today disclosed details of an apparent attempt by the National Security Agency to defend Americans from terrorists than the Democratic Party and its leading politicians and interest groups went on the attack. Not against the terrorists but against President Bush. "This is another example of the Bush Administration misleading the American people," said a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Committee, Stacie Paxton.

Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts called the program "abusive" and said "Today's shocking disclosures make it more important than ever for the Republican Congress to end its complicity in the White House cover up of its massive domestic surveillance program.

When three major telephone companies are supplying the administration with records of all Americans regardless of any hint of wrongdoing, Congress can't look the other way." Rep. Harold Ford Jr., a Democrat of Tennessee, went on Fox News Channel to call the news "disturbing." Senator Clinton pronounced herself "deeply disturbed."

Mrs. Clinton might want to have a talk with her husband. It was President Clinton who signed into law the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994, after it was passed in both the House and Senate by a voice vote.

That law is an act "to make clear a telecommunications carrier's duty to cooperate in the interception of communications for law enforcement purposes, and for other purposes." The act made clear that a court order isn't the only lawful way of obtaining call information, saying, "A telecommunications carrier shall ensure that any interception of communications or access to call-identifying information effected within its switching premises can be activated only in accordance with a court order or other lawful authorization."

The law that President Clinton signed into law and that was approved by voice votes in 1994 by a Democrat-majority House and a Democrat-majority Senate not only made clear the phone companies' "duty" to cooperate, it authorized $500 million in taxpayer funds to reimburse the phone companies for equipment "enabling the government, pursuant to a court order or other lawful authorization, to access call-identifying information that is reasonably available to the carrier."

Again, the law, by referring to "other lawful authorization," states clearly that a court order isn't the only form of lawful authorization possible."

I've yet to see the AP or Reuters - reputed 'news outlets' actually report the FACTS instead of trying to invent a controversy that was no controversy TWELVE years ago. Of course el-savior was President then and in fact most of the current controversy (warrentless wiretaps and searches) originated under HIS administration.

The difference of course is Bill's was used to keep track of his enemies, and today it's used to keep us safe. That is a immutable fact and cannot be argued.

But don't look for facts from the MSM, because they are NOT a friend of the people, but only exist to manufacture the stories that fuel the fantasies that keep their fanatical readership on the left 'happy'.

Over and over again each MSM media outlet has reported that this program was Bush's program, created AFTER September 11th, which is not only patently false but blantenly dishonest. The fact is that they KNOW the truth, but refuse to PRINT the truth - thus - get ready America - they are not TELLING you the truth.

In fact because of their BDS they are incapable of doing so.

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I have been told that "BDS" stands for Bush Derangement Syndrome" ... a most accurate description.

208 posted on 05/14/2006 7:24:40 AM PDT by STARWISE ((They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE
Great post Starwise! It's the old mantra again, if we do something wrong the sky falls but if the rats do the same thing...well it's o,k.
394 posted on 05/14/2006 8:51:12 AM PDT by rodguy911 (support the new Media, ticket the drive-bys)
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To: STARWISE
That law is an act "to make clear a telecommunications carrier's duty to cooperate in the interception of communications for law enforcement purposes, and for other purposes." The act made clear that a court order isn't the only lawful way of obtaining call information, saying, "A telecommunications carrier shall ensure that any interception of communications or access to call-identifying information effected within its switching premises can be activated only in accordance with a court order or other lawful authorization."

The law that President Clinton signed into law and that was approved by voice votes in 1994 by a Democrat-majority House and a Democrat-majority Senate not only made clear the phone companies' "duty" to cooperate, it authorized $500 million in taxpayer funds to reimburse the phone companies for equipment "enabling the government, pursuant to a court order or other lawful authorization, to access call-identifying information that is reasonably available to the carrier."

Thank you! I learn more on this weekly thread and FR than anywhere else.

402 posted on 05/14/2006 8:53:58 AM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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To: STARWISE
#208, great post and I believe you said it all. I have one thing to add about Hagel,Hillary, and all the stupid, poor memory cadre of Senators and Representatives. You all need to get a competent employee like they have on the Soap Opera's that can tell you what you said when with a little click. In the Soap Opera deal, they have these people to keep their Story lines straight and from becoming really contrary to the entire premise of their Shows. Come to think of it, these people in Congress and the media lie like Soap Opera Characters and think that the public will accept their B.S. without complaining or calling them on their lies and distortions of facts and policy, then and now.
490 posted on 05/14/2006 9:46:31 AM PDT by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: STARWISE

I've been screaming about CALEA for weeks now. What do all these nitwits think the CIA, FBI and NSA were doing before the Bush Administration?


512 posted on 05/14/2006 10:13:36 AM PDT by jayef
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To: STARWISE
***ANOTHER THREE STAR POST ALERT HERE--#208-- BY STARWISE

I have wondered why the msm/drive-bys/ DNC rats were in such a tizzy about using wiretaps to intercept terrorist's plots.

But now it's all sinking in my naive little brain. They(clintonistas) used wiretaps only to spy on us and they think we will do the same, no wonder they are so upset. Now I get it.

627 posted on 05/14/2006 1:43:14 PM PDT by rodguy911 (support the new Media, ticket the drive-bys)
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To: STARWISE

Thank you Starwise!

In addition to what you posted, the MSM and Dims continue to tell untruths about this program and the NSA 'wiretapping' - - (of course, why should these be any different than all the lies and the hate-filled cr*pola they spew daily.

1st - I am SO SICK of hearing it called 'Domestic Wiretapping' or 'Domestic Spying' - - even some ill-informed Republicans do this - it is a TERRORIST SURVEILANCE Program.

2nd - The Dims and MSM make it sound like Bush and the NSA is personally listening to all your phone calls and/or screening your telephone records (the reporterette on FNC just said it). There is NO way in heck that there is the manpower, equipment, time and/or desire to listen to phone calls of all Americans. It is simply logistically impossible. There was a caller on a local talk radio show the other night that said he was w NSA (used a fake name and the host said he had no way to prove or not if this guy was who he said he was, so we should all just make up our minds). The guy sounded credible to me.
He said he had worked on this program and they have special training and can only analyze/look at certain data. All they get are strings of numbers/digits (a guy from a phone company confirmed this). The data doesn't say SC placed a call(from this #) to SW at this # and they talked for x minutes. They create algorithms and analyze the data for, among other things, spikes in calls, etc. IF they find a spike - they may look further and/or if other situations arise and they feel the need to get caller info - he has to go to his supervisor to look at additional data (I believe to get the actual names and #s of the callers and callees as well). The Dims and MSM are really spinning this one, but, the funny thing is that something like 66% of Americans who took a poll the other day said they didn't have a problem w it (the Dims are deeply troubled and deeply saddened).


672 posted on 05/14/2006 2:30:19 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC.)
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To: STARWISE

928 posted on 05/14/2006 8:53:21 PM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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