Posted on 05/12/2006 9:18:12 AM PDT by xjcsa
Headline only so far...
Back in 1999, did you actually think Dubya will be the future POTUS?
May 2005 - The border fence provision is part of the REAL ID Act of 2005, which is attached to the House's emergency supplemental appropriations package to finance military spending in Iraq and Afghanistan.In a letter to Congress last week, the White House said, "The administration strongly urges [congressional] conferees to include the REAL ID Act of 2005 in the final version of the bill." The legislation also includes a ban on driver's licenses for illegal immigrants.The fences were finally approved by Congress and work has begun, but many sections have been delayed by environmentalists:Democrats are bristling over the Bush endorsement, with Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid saying he was "disappointed."
"The fact of the matter is Republicans did this in a very tricky way," Reid Spokeswoman Fabiola Rodriguez-Ciampoli told The Associated Press. "They knew that if they included REAL ID in the [military spending bill], it would be very hard to strike it out."
A corrugated metal fence that separates the USA from Mexico starts near here at the Pacific Ocean and runs 14 miles inland. It's a stained and rusty reminder that San Diego was once the place along the U.S.-Mexico border most often crossed by illegal immigrants.Human Rights groups and local leaders also held it up,calling it "racist":The government decided in 1996 to add two more fences with roads and stadium-style lights in between the rows to make it easier to stop anyone who tried to get across.
The project has progressed so roughly 10 miles of the multiple fences and roads are built. But work on the final 3 1/2 miles or so has hit a snag: Border security is in conflict with environmental concerns.
At the forum, The Organic Collective distributed a statement that reads, “The Triple Border Fence embodies the most racist and violent face of so called ‘Free Trade’ which allows capital to flow freely across borders, but not the people who create the capital.”There is even a picture of National Guardsmen building the fence you say is non-existent at that website.The space for increased human right abuses was another concern expressed by several panelists. “(The triple border fence) creates a space of impunity for the Border Patrol,” Christian Ramirez, Program Coordinator of the U.S./Mexico Border Program at The American Friends Service Committee, said. “(Within the border fences) there are no witnesses to human rights violations,” Ramirez added.
Likening the proposed project to a U.S. version of the Berlin Wall, Enrique Morones, founder of Border Angels and Chair of the Border Commission to Mexican President Vicente Fox, said, “This fence gives the wrong message and it is hypocritical. The U.S. tells Gorbachev to take down their wall, and here our President still has his.”
Besides environmental and human rights concerns, the triple fence is seen as an insult to our un-consulted Mexican neighbor and as a nemesis to cooperative border culture.
Finally, if you don't have a clue what you are talking about, it is usually best to keep your mouth shut so you won't look like a fool. If you are on the internet, I assume you have access to Google...use it, inform yourselves.
Excellent post Spiff. Well said....
I'm entitled to my opinion of what others here do, just as you are entitled to your opinion of the rest of us.
Some of you will discuss it reasonably, some will not; frankly, I gave up discussing it with most of them years ago because I got sick of being called an open border lover.
If you don't want your posts commented on, don't post them. Nothing I said to you here was inflammatory, unlike a lot of the posts you have made to other folks on this thread.
Put them on chain gangs. Arizona and Florida have chain gangs. Maybe other states do as well. There’s no reason the feds can’t have them. The feds could then make a profit off these criminals who have been sucking us dry.
It would be real good to put the criminal employers on there with the aliens. Let a few CEOs, and homeowners too cheap to pay the full price to get their grass cut, do a year or two on a chain gang and nobody would ever hire an illegal alien again.
Wow...if your stat is true, then clearly the argument that we can't deport 11 million people is bunk.
He's finally figuring out that the GOP has a political problem here.
Of course. If not they'd soon be a laughing stock at best, if not helpless targets. But it wouldn't be the first time. I remember hearing that some of the Guards on duty after 9/11 weren't issued ammo. It came out months later. There's been some pretty PC/stupid engagement rules in the past, where troops have been "shown" but not able to act normally. Think SS Cole, for example.
04-19-2006
Speaks volumes.
Yes, trying to shove another Kennedy-designed amnesty down our throats. That's what he's been doing for over two years.
Stop trashing HIM and work on your congress people. They're the ones angling for votes.
I did work on my congressman. I organized REPUBLICANS to protest the leftist, pro-abortion, pro-open borders, pro-gay marriage RINO dirtbag whenever he came back to his home district. His town halls were angry shoutfests with him getting flustered and red faced every time. He had illegal alien garbage gathered from our neighborhoods stacked against his office doors in the mornings, requiring him or his staff to remove it before they could go to work. He has finally announced his retirement after 11 terms and he, in fact, among the reasons he gave one of them was all of the opposition he faced whenever he came home. It just wasn't fun for him anymore. Good! He deserved every bit of it. Now we've got a strong conservative pro-life, pro-border security, pro-family Reagan Republican who is one of the authors of Prop 200 and a charter Minuteman who is the FRONTRUNNER in the primary. And I am one of his volunteers. I'm doing what I can in my district - big time!
Now, I'm not "trashing" the President. I'm bringing up uncomfortable realities, educating people to the specific problems I have with the President (border security and spending), and seeing what I can do to cause a change in those areas. Apparently it is working in limited ways. The day the Minuteman Project rolls into D.C. for a rally after another successful border operation the President announces a speech to address the border topic which is rumored to include a call for national guard troops on the border. We had to make a lot of noise on this issue for years, but apparently he may have finally got the message. Now, if we can get him to veto some pork-laden appropriations bills and actually work to CUT spending, we'll have a two-fer.
Is making noise to get your point across and affect change a bad thing? Obviously not to FReepers. FReepers have done protests and rallies and all kinds of attention-getting things from day one. Remember? That is what independent grassroots conservative activism is all about, Howlin.
Exactly right.
You see, this is why I don't post to you; you just cannot take no for an answer and become continually shrill when you don't get the response you need.
I NEVER post to you first; take a hint.
If true, this would suggest to me that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has been having discussions on this very subject with the President. On Wednesday night, Frist was live on Bill O'Reilly and O'Reilly was pushing the whole "send the National Guard to the border" idea, and Frist wasn't backing away from it, said it was "one of the options" that was being looked at, so again: the proof is in the boots on the ground, and there have to be absolutely clear rules of engagement as to how those troops are to deal with illegal border crossers, defending themselves from attackers, taking illegals into custody (presumably to turn over to local law enforcement?), and (*hopefully*) working hand in glove with the Minutemen down there who have been trying to do what our federal government (up until this point) has failed to do.
I agree with 'nmh' above...as do a whole hell of a lot of other Americans.
Tell us, "Coop"... what is your idea? Or do you just stand on the sidelines of reality and cry a lot?
So pretty much you are saying you've written him off no matter what he does?
Words don't matter. Actions don't matter. It only matters that he didn't do it the moment it crossed your mind.
I guess timing IS everything.
You just blew a gapping hole in that arguement.
Kudos, I'm ticked I never had that realization.
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