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What spy agency might do with your telephone calls
The Seattle Times ^ | May 12, 2006 | Brian Bergstein

Posted on 05/12/2006 3:10:38 AM PDT by SUSSA

BOSTON — If the National Security Agency (NSA) is indeed amassing a colossal database of Americans' phone records, one way to use all that information is in "social-network analysis," a data-mining method that aims to expose previously invisible connections among people.

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That level of cooperation confirmed the fears of many privacy analysts, who pointed out that AT&T is already being sued in federal court in San Francisco for allegedly giving the NSA access to contents of its phone and Internet networks.

The suit, filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation and based on documents from a former AT&T technician, says secret spying rooms and electronic-surveillance equipment were installed by the NSA in AT&T facilities in Seattle and several cities in California to monitor communications. The government is seeking to dismiss the case, citing "the military and state-secrets privilege," according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

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Social-network analysis would appear to be powerless against criminals and terrorists who rely on a multitude of cellphones, pay phones, calling cards and Internet cafes.

And then there are more creative ways of getting off the grid. In the Madrid train-bombings case, the plotters communicated by sharing one e-mail account and saving messages to each other as drafts that didn't traverse the Internet like regular mail messages would.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; data; nsa
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To: Grut
How do you know the number you got didn't belong to a kiddie-porn distributor

Easy now...it's not so much where you dial, but what is said.A misdialed number will be viewed as such. These programs, so I have heard, work off of key words like bomb, kill, etc.

61 posted on 05/12/2006 5:41:56 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: SUSSA

The individuals who have the most to fear from surveillance and compilation of phone record data are:

- terrorists
- leftists
- liberals
- Democrats

They are all shrieking because they must not let their own disloyal behavior be exposed.


62 posted on 05/12/2006 5:47:25 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: OpusatFR
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63 posted on 05/12/2006 5:52:00 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: SUSSA
Other than the contestants on Jay Leno's Jay Walking segment, I venture to say that members of Congress seem to be the least informed citizens in the United States.

Can people who are so ill informed really be capable of guiding our country? How incompetent must one be not to know about a program that has been in existence for years?

Young Man: Hey, my IQ is only 90 and I didn't graduate from school.

Adviser: Don't worry son, you can always run for Congress.

64 posted on 05/12/2006 6:02:08 AM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: Grut
They could indeed. Ever mis-dial a number? How do you know the number you got didn't belong to a kiddie-porn distributor, or the bar where the local Aryan Brotherhood hangs out? And you are now 'linked' to them.

Unless you "misdial" the same number time and time again, you won't be linked. They are analyzing calling patterns.

Now, if you accidently dial an overseas number and happen to reach an known Al-Qaeda operative...

65 posted on 05/12/2006 6:05:06 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: spatso
I can't wait to hear their reaction when Hillary sets out the profiles that she wants to be monitored.

Most of them will only care because she is a Democrat.

66 posted on 05/12/2006 6:09:03 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: RightWinger

They aren't listening in on any conversations. They aren't recording any conversations. The private phone companies have turned over records of phone calls made, and the NSA runs the numbers to see if they match any of their interest. They aren't collecting personal info, no addresses, no names (like the couldn't get it by using google) etc.

Is the government at fault here, or the private phone companies? What does everyone's phone company's privacy policy say? You agreed to it.

My question is, is this just land-based lines? We don't use land-based lines at home.

I don't like the idea of government intrusion either, but it gets touchy when private businesses are involved.

Look at Yahoo and Google in China, turning over anti-commies. My gut worries about that, also.

God I wish our country wasn't so insane at the moment. Too bad we can't even discuss stuff anymore.


67 posted on 05/12/2006 6:09:05 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Enterprise
I don' think the Clintons would hesitate one bit to use the NSA to retaliate against people who criticize them. And FReepers would be at the top of their list.

That would be a misuse of the information, and would be proscutable. If Dubya were using this information to retaliate against his detractors, that also would be a misuse of the information and you would find FReepers at the front of the impeachment lynch mob.

The fact is that Congress has been kept informed about these programs, and there is no hint of misusing the information.

The only misuse is the illegal leaking that these programs exist.

68 posted on 05/12/2006 6:09:42 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: mewzilla

I am considering moving to Quest after this. If someone wants their privacy invaded, that is their business. Personally, I am offended that my privacy is being invaded in such an offhand and casual way.

If they insist on invading my privacy, then the Government can get rid of all the gun control laws in order to make the American people secure that yeah, they are monitoring call records but we have the ultimate veto power.

As it stands now, it is unacceptable.

Mike


69 posted on 05/12/2006 6:11:49 AM PDT by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: SUSSA; All

Face it, Gang. This is ALL we're going to hear about from the MSM 24/7 due to the nomination of Michael Hayden to the CIA Chief position. The MSM will continue to print this cr@p until Hayden is ridden out of town on a rail, or until he's appointed and then they'll move on to Bush Bash in another venue.

Nevermind the FACT that there have been FIVE other military men appointed to head the CIA through the years. The MSM is so absolutely transparent. *Rolleyes*


70 posted on 05/12/2006 6:14:40 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Peach

Thanks, Peach! Nice summary. I was looking for just that type of info to give to my brother to tell him to STFU about this bogus non-issue. :)


71 posted on 05/12/2006 6:16:27 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Let the media run with it. They'll continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

I just wish all the nation's enemies were this moronic.

72 posted on 05/12/2006 6:20:27 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

FNC reported this morning that Sen. Pat Roberts says that his commitee was briefed about the program. Funny the 'Rats waited 'til now to raise a stink about it. What took 'em so long...?


73 posted on 05/12/2006 6:21:56 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

I can live with that. ;) Most of our enemies are pretty stupid, but we do a good job of shooting our own selves in the foot, too. It's infuriating!

Man, if they would just listen to me...problems would get solved around here. ;)


74 posted on 05/12/2006 6:22:30 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SUSSA

They can pay my bill.


75 posted on 05/12/2006 6:25:21 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Yo-Yo
"That would be a misuse of the information, and would be proscutable."

The Filegate scandal was also prosecutable. However, with a corrupt Attorney General in power, all crimes are possible.

76 posted on 05/12/2006 6:28:50 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: spatso
I find it odd that I felt much more comfortable when the dems were in charge, and the conservatives were the ones screaming about big government and government intrusion in our lives.

I wonder where post-9/11 conservatives now draw the line.

77 posted on 05/12/2006 6:29:57 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: Enterprise

Corrupt Attorney General, or Corrupt Media?


78 posted on 05/12/2006 6:32:03 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: SUSSA

Since state governments have been selling drivers license lists to marketers (to raise money and save on taxes), perhaps the Feds could sell some raw (or mined) data to telemarketers. Phone numbers (and mailing addresses and e-mail addresses) of people who call Home Depot or Lowes could be sold as a group. Divorce lawyers could do traffic analysis to see if someone is calling the girlfriend (boyfriend respectively) from the office. There's a gold (and data) mine here.


79 posted on 05/12/2006 6:36:21 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: SUSSA
Perhaps I am allowing myself to become too emotional. How can conservatives endorse the abrogation of a personal freedom on the assumption that it is probably okay because Republicans are in charge? That simply is not the conservative way. It is really disappointing. I believe some of the postings are merely unthinking conservatives. And, some, I am certain are liberal trolls trying to undermine meaningful conservative dialog.
80 posted on 05/12/2006 6:36:45 AM PDT by spatso
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