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1 posted on 05/11/2006 8:25:44 PM PDT by Burr5
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I have a novel idea. How about the Republicans in Washington not give their base a reason to do such things.

Just a thought.


2 posted on 05/11/2006 8:27:22 PM PDT by KoRn
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Would this "teach the Republicans a lesson"?

Who even cares any more. They had their chance and they blew it. Only insane people keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. Time to try something new.

3 posted on 05/11/2006 8:30:47 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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Read my lips, if they reward, aid and abet criminals by giving them voting status, there will no longer be an America.

They will be fighting over who will be the family to rule North America.
5 posted on 05/11/2006 8:31:14 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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["Politics is a TEAM SPORT."]

Yes, and it's also a contact sport. I happen to like big people such as Charlie Rangle...when they fall they more noise.
8 posted on 05/11/2006 8:32:43 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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If the 'Pubbies don't get with the program, they will go down to ignominious defeat in November, and they will deserve every bit of it.


9 posted on 05/11/2006 8:33:10 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (Rice 2008)
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Agreeded. I am for the Bush plan on illegal immigration here. I realize many are not. However, if one has displeasure at ones congressman and how they vote you voice that opinion in the primaries. Better yet people get out and work in the trenches for their candidate. At the end of the day no matter who wins we pull together behind the the Republican that wins. Its a pretty good system. The rhetoric on this immigration issue and others has anyone that happens to disagree on certain aspects labled a RHINO. I nominate that as the most overused word of the year. Sen Brownback for instance a RHINO? I think not.
10 posted on 05/11/2006 8:33:48 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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Don't forget that if the Republicans lose the majority, amnesty WILL get passed!!!


12 posted on 05/11/2006 8:34:35 PM PDT by Thunder90
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Nancy Palosi, Speaker of the House.

Now that would be some real nasty punishment.

14 posted on 05/11/2006 8:35:04 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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I agree with you 100%.

But try this experiment -- ask people, not what they think about "Congress" but about their own representatives.

The answers are different, is my experience.


17 posted on 05/11/2006 8:35:17 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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["Politics is a TEAM SPORT."]

Yes, and it's also a contact sport. I happen to like big people such as Charlie Rangle...when they fall they make more noise. (Sorry for the double post.)
18 posted on 05/11/2006 8:35:18 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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Great vanity, by the way. Meant to credit you earlier, but I'm doing 100 things on the computer right now lol.
24 posted on 05/11/2006 8:37:35 PM PDT by KoRn
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I hate to recycle a post, but this is apropos:

The Democrats flare up an issue they know will be controversial amongst conservatives -- the ports, immigration -- and then fan the flames to pit conservatives against one another and against the President.

I can't believe how many FReepers fall lock, stock and barrel for this obvious strategy.


42 posted on 05/11/2006 8:42:18 PM PDT by JennysCool ("I simply do not remember getting out of bed.")
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[There has been a rising tide of opinion expressed these last few days on Talk Radio regarding the impulse to vote against Republicans in the upcoming congressional election in order to punish them for their whorish pandering...]



I've got a better idea. We could vote for those PARTICULAR members of congress who did what we asked of them and we could vote out the PARTICUALAR individuals who did not.

This idea that "The Republicans" betrayed us is ludicrous when there is such a wide range of congressional performance among them on diverse issues of both economic and social importance.


45 posted on 05/11/2006 8:43:05 PM PDT by spinestein (The Democratic Party is the reason I vote for Republicans.)
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As I've often said before, it's not that I'm about to pull the lever for a Libertarian or something. But if I'm feeling discouraged about Bush, and if many Freepers are discouraged about him, as they clearly are, then there's a problem.

The problem is that even if we hold our noses and vote Republican next November, many millions of conservatives who don't usually vote but who turned out in the last election will simply stay home.

No use preaching to the converted. I hope most of us are sensible enough to hold our noses and vote for the available Republicans. But the most effective thing would be to persuade Bush, Rove, and the Republicans in congress to mend relations with their base, or else whatever we may think, will nevertheless soon be out of power.

I still like Bush. I think he could be doing a lot better. That was what I felt about the Miers episode. I wanted to say to him, "Don't do it. It won't work. You're just damaging yourself for nothing."

I'm sure the great majority of Freepers would rather see the old Bush of his best moments come alive again, rather than vote for someone else. But Bush has been a political disaster for most of his second term. The only really good thing he has done was the Roberts and Alito appointments, and maybe the tax cut extension. Those two supreme court appointments were great. But why didn't he follow up on them with more appointments, and use the momentum before he lost it again?


46 posted on 05/11/2006 8:43:06 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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*yawn*


47 posted on 05/11/2006 8:43:10 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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This is one of the reasons the pendulum swings, and that although nominally the same two parties have been going at it since Teddy Roosevelt, in fact American politics turns out to be incredibly dynamic. Underneath it isn't really two parties at all.

Of course some of the Republican base feels a sense of futility, and for very good reason. And yes, some of it will either make a protest vote for the American equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party (oh, wait - Dean's kind of got that one locked up, doesn't he?) and some will sit it out and it will be difficult for the Republicans to maintain the slender majority they've enjoyed and used not as well as they might have. All that is given in the state of eight-year incumbency. Clinton's boys felt it too.

This will serve as a corrective to complacency on the part of the Republicans and to the superficial reactionism we have seen on the part of Democrats who ought to know better. Who learns first will be elected.

48 posted on 05/11/2006 8:43:10 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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We should be worried about this attitude. Especially those of us who remember 1992. In George H.W. Bush's second presidential attempt, a conservative rebellion (over tax policy) and the insurgent candidacy of a purported "economic conservative" (Ross Perot), resulted in the election of the most venal, irresponsible, demogogic criminal in the history of American politics. 43% of the electorate was enough to give us eight years of Clinton.

I remember 1992. I voted in 1992. And blaming Ross Perot is a red herring. Bush didn't do what he promised and he didn't fulfill his campaign promises. Your argument boils down to we should have continued to vote for Bush even though he didn't do what he said solely because he was on the 'right' team.

Contrary to the argument of the faithful, this is not a damned team sport. It's not 'us vs. them'. It is stepping into the booth and remembering the privilege the Framers bestowed upon us. The right to vote for who we believe supports our views the most and will represent us best. I did not believe Perot or Bush or Clinton would represent my views. IIRC, I voted Libertarian that year. When you step in that booth, you are supposed to vote for what you believe, not against another candidate. Of course this is probably why the Framers never intended for us to popularly elect Senators or Presidents. Because the intellect of the average citizen of a respective state only goes so far before it devolves into simplistic emotional arguments that can't be supported by the Framers' intent but rather by group think

53 posted on 05/11/2006 8:44:11 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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It could take another forty years to get it back.

Good piece, I couldn't agree more. This is a team effort and when it comes down to the general election we have to band together and vote Repub. We have to maintain the majority or we'll lose much of what we've gained. I would prefer all Conservatives but being realistic I know it won't be that way.

61 posted on 05/11/2006 8:45:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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Why not just change your registration to Democrat and get it over with. You quite obviously want the Democrats to win.


73 posted on 05/11/2006 8:48:02 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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I'm merely an observer. And I don't like what I'm seeing.

I'm seeing insults, attacks, condemnations and demands to act like mindless sheep, all in response to genuine concerns for the state and direction of our country. One party states do such things, just check your history. Party shall pass and be forgotten, country lasts.

74 posted on 05/11/2006 8:48:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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