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NSA phone records story excites Washington(Trying to take down Michael Hayden)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 11 May 2006 | Frank James at 1:10 pm CDT

Posted on 05/11/2006 12:30:13 PM PDT by demlosers

Washington is agog today with the disclosure that appeared in USA Today that Verizon, AT&T and Bell South have been providing domestic phone call information to the National Security Agency on millions of residential and business phone calls made by Americans.

It’s all part of the spy agency’s quest to create a huge database of caller information it could data mine in order to find patterns that might reveal terrorist communications. But it has raised enormous privacy concerns in the minds of many.

The USA Today report, coming after last year’s disclosure in the New York Times of the NSA’s warrantless electronic surveillance of phone calls it deems to be connected to terrorism ginned up the debate over how far is too far in the Bush administration’s efforts to protect the American people from al Qaeda and other terrorists.

The newspaper’s disclosure modified a lot of plans today. President Bush, on his way to give a commencement address in Biloxi, Miss., stopped in the White House’s Diplomatic Reception Room to deliver a brief statement to the press.

By the way, the president’s rapid response was remarkable. When other bad news has hit, say Dubai Ports World or the initial revelations of the NSA surveillance last December, there was a noticeable lag which allowed White House critics to define the debate.

The president’s quickness before today might be attributable to Tony Snow, the new press secretary. Or it could be that the White House is so nervous about the president’s ever lower poll ratings that he and his advisors felt he had to speak and quickly.

PRESIDENT BUSH: After September the 11th, I vowed to the American people that our government would do everything within the law to protect them against another terrorist attack. As part of this effort, I authorized

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: callrecords; echelon; freeperhysteria; michaelhayden; nsa; witchhunt
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1 posted on 05/11/2006 12:30:17 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers

I also have a collection of American phone numbers, it's called a phone book.


2 posted on 05/11/2006 12:31:08 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers

I think it is about time Tony Snow earned his keep.


3 posted on 05/11/2006 12:32:46 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats = The Culture of Treason)
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To: demlosers

Telephone number databasing has been around for years, but no one got too worried about Radio Shack, Sears, AT&T, etc. from gathering all your information. But Heaven forbid if National Security requires gathering calling patterns. Especially if a Republican is in office.


4 posted on 05/11/2006 12:33:33 PM PDT by TommyDale (North Carolina looks forward to the disbarring of Mike Nifong.)
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To: demlosers

USless Today stirring the pot with old news in order to rejuvinate a non-issue to most Americans, except Ted Kennedy and the drive-by media.


5 posted on 05/11/2006 12:33:37 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: demlosers
I also have a collection of American phone numbers, it's called a phone book.

Quit being stuck on stupid. You know damn well this database tracks who calls whom and is far more significant than a phone book.

I agreed with the NSA survellience without a warrant because there was probable cause involved - at least one of the parties was suspected as being involved in terrorism. But there is no probable cause contained in the raw list of phone calls for Verizon. And the government as a result stepped over a line in asking for the data and compiling it - just as it feels it can have just about any information it wants nowadays. And you just try to quip that problem away.

6 posted on 05/11/2006 12:33:56 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: demlosers

Why doesn't W use the 'bully pulpit', go on TV and explain this situation to America?

He's missed scores of opportunities to do so over the past 6 years, giving the OTM (Old Tired Media) scum, an uninterrupted stream of lies and BS. Ditto the lib-dem filth and RINO traitors in congress, who've betrayed him since day one.


7 posted on 05/11/2006 12:36:59 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: demlosers
ABC did their part for the DNC this morning.

The person being interviewed had to repeatedly tell ABC that no conversations were being listened to.

8 posted on 05/11/2006 12:37:03 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: demlosers
I also have a collection of American phone numbers, it's called a phone book.

Does it show which number called what other number in a phone book you don't have? Does it tell you how long the call lasted? If your wife or husband saw those calls, would you be in trouble.

Moron.

9 posted on 05/11/2006 12:37:04 PM PDT by Glenn (There is a looming Tupperware shortage. Plan appropriately.)
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To: demlosers

Until a couple of weeks ago you could buy this sort of data from cell phone records on-line.


10 posted on 05/11/2006 12:39:50 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: demlosers
I also have a collection of American phone numbers, it's called a phone book.

Yes! It is ludicrous and laughable. Analyzing phone call traffic to look for clusters of callers associated with al Qaeda is a very good thing to do, exploits our technology and poses absolutely no invasion of privacy.

Only because idiocy rules in the ignorant and dumb political media culture can this be presented as it is.

11 posted on 05/11/2006 12:40:47 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

He did, I believe he was on this morning. Tony snow will follow up.


12 posted on 05/11/2006 12:41:58 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower Traffic Keep Right)
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To: demlosers

Supposedly, they're not listening to the conversations but I wouldn't know how they'd find out if the calls were terror related, but whatever. They'd be terribly bored listening in on mine.

Hello? ---- click, @#^$# telemarketer

Hello? No, this isn't the bowling alley. No, I'm sure. You have the wrong number.

Hello? Oh, yeah, sure, this is the bowling alley. Who? No, I think she left outta here an hour ago with a truck load of guys.

Hello? No, he's grounded and can't come to the phone.

Hello? No, she's grounded and can't come to the phone.

Hello? No, Mr. M. is busy but lemme guess what you're going to say - you're too sick to come to work.

Hello? Yes. No. Yes. No. Uh huh. Bye, mother.


13 posted on 05/11/2006 12:42:16 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: tallhappy
Analyzing phone call traffic to look for clusters of callers associated with al Qaeda is a very good thing to do

Well, why stop there? Let's allow the FBI to inspect our homes without a warrant. Pull over cars and search them without probable cause. Make all of us submit DNA samples for a national database. We can really catch all the terrorists then.

14 posted on 05/11/2006 12:42:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Glenn

I think you boneheads are jumping to conclusions. Why don't you wait until this story plays out before jumping to knee-jerked conclusions.


15 posted on 05/11/2006 12:42:31 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: dirtboy
You do not understand what is done. Their is no surveilance being done, only analysis of phone calling patterns.

This sort of stuff could be done for PhD dissertations or studies in a number of different fields with absolutely no problem or issue of privacy.

16 posted on 05/11/2006 12:43:14 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: demlosers
I think you boneheads are jumping to conclusions.

To the contrary: I carefully evaluated your post before declaring you a moron. I came to that conclusion based on solid evidence.

17 posted on 05/11/2006 12:45:27 PM PDT by Glenn (There is a looming Tupperware shortage. Plan appropriately.)
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To: dirtboy

They analyze traffic patterns, and if needed, apply for a warrent to listen in.

Get the facts before your next hissy-fit.


18 posted on 05/11/2006 12:46:01 PM PDT by toddlintown
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To: dirtboy
Your response is irrational and hysterical.

There is no entry or search involved.

Your analogies ("Let's allow the FBI to inspect our homes without a warrant. Pull over cars and search them without probable cause) are not reflective of what is done.

You are rather proposing one cannot look at another persons house and see what is in common between house in a given neighborhood.

19 posted on 05/11/2006 12:46:10 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Ben Mugged
Until a couple of weeks ago you could buy this sort of data from cell phone records on-line.

You can get plenty of info right here on-line: http://www.whitepages.com/

You can do...
People Search, Business Search, Reverse Phone, Reverse Address, Area Codes, Mailing lists....

20 posted on 05/11/2006 12:47:38 PM PDT by demlosers
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