Posted on 05/10/2006 10:29:57 AM PDT by cryptical
I noticed the latest poll question, which got me to thinking...
A time for choosing: It appears that a significant number of our members are so disgusted with the GOP's failure to secure our borders against illegal aliens that they are willing to risk all by voting them out of office, even if it means Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al, are allowed to take charge. Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected? Are you willing to give it all up or are you more determined than ever to keep the Marxists out of power?
This understates the problem, and offers a false choice as a solution IMO.
It's not just the failure to secure our borders, it's the growing government by leaps and bounds, spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave, rewarding RINOs with leadership positions, and in general not advancing a conservative agenda after they have been given all three branches of government on a silver platter.
The false choice comes from the notion that we can hold our noses and vote for the RINOs that the RNC and the state parties put up, and then "work harder" to get more constitutional-minded candidates elected.
If we keep accepting the RINOs that are put up, there's no reason for the Republican Party to change.
I've begun to feel like an enabler for the majority-addicted Republican Party. They keep on promising change, but it's always tomorrow.
Well folks, tomorrow is here. I'm pledging not to vote for any RINOs, and if that means that a Democrat gets elected I'll consider myself to have worked for change in the party.
"When 2008 rolls around we get a bunch of middle of the road moderates who promise to change the tone in Washington and make nice, nice"
---- And how is that is different that what we have today?????
I seem to remember something about "A New Tone" and kissing up to the democrats. Letting your opponents write the education & energy bills, setting the adgenda, sharing power.
And don't we already have our "middle of the road moderate" president today?
Here in Ohio I'd rather not vote for DeWanker, but he's running against Sherrod Brown. It's not even a close call. Sherrod makes Hillary look like a Moderate. Placing him in the Senate would be an atrocity and a disaster for conservatives.
I don't understand your comments....these things have been accomplished or protected by Bush and the conservatives in Congress.
We will revert to Clinton policies....the very same that gave us 9/11, and all his liberal pet programs.
By vocalizing the fact that they (including the President) have abandoned the party's long-standing ideals? By stating that a RINO is a liberal not a "semi-conservative"?
Wow. I've been a huge Bush supporter on most issues but he has failed miserably on many issues I consider important. You don't have to agree with me but I expect a bit more from my elected representatives.
If McCain is the next GOP Presidential candidate, the GOP will move to the left yet again. At what point do you party "loyalists" admit your party isn't yours anymore? Many Dems faced this in the late 60's and had to bail from the party. It can happen to the GOP also.
I refuse to be a lemming and if the GOP doesn't support me, why would I support them? I pray they come around soon or this won't go well for the GOP for a few years.
. . . but hey, maybe the RINOs will all turn die-hard conservatives in the next few months and President Bush will veto a bill . . . /sarcasm
Legislation can become law without the President's signature, and vetoes can be overruled.
If he is mired in partisan inquiries, it hampers his ability to accomplish his main duty...protect us.
It is foolish to think there is any brightside to the Dems taking the congress, then using giveaway programs to consolidate minority and liberal voting blocks.
We need to continue building on conservative progress that has been made..
Shutting down the government is great, unless you depend on various government programs to survive....think of all the elderly SS recipients.
Here in Ohio I'd rather not vote for DeWanker, but he's running against Sherrod Brown.
Sad isn't it. This is the best representation available from the two most powerful groups of political activists in the state.
Which is exactly why I will be writing in TONYRO76!
That's right! TonyRo76 can be counted on to be conservative and act in a conservative manner 100% of the time!
C'mon join me! we'll force that butt-towel dewine to get an honest job for a change!
Legislation can become law without the President's signature
You're going to have to give me some examples......
Vetos can be overridden, but seriously, the chances of that are remote. Besides bush lost his veto pen.
think of all the elderly SS recipients. - I'll take care of my family - you take care of yours, we'll get by just fine.
Not true....http://www.cbo.gov/budget/historical.pdf See table 8
Border control?
Dems will do better? You don't mind putting off any progress for two years?
Expanding gimme programs?
George Bush has pushed to cut useless programs. He promised the prescription plan in his campaign and delivered on his promise (as always). The Republicans in the house get reelected by providing pork to their constituents. That is just politics...If your congressman is guilty, vote for a different Republican in the primary.
Amnesty for illegals?
Bush has never supported amnesty. Always supported a way to citizenship, but with waiting periods and fines. very few Republicans support a real amnesty.
Internet control bill?
Hasn't happened yet...
McCain/Feingold anti-1st Amendment bill
I have no reason why the Republicans didn't filibuster that bill forever....I guess we just have to thank John McCain.
If I'm not mistaken, a bill without the President's signature becomes law at the end of the legislative term, unless he vetoes it. (I could be wrong, have been before!)
I'll take care of my family - you take care of yours, we'll get by just fine.
That would work for you and me....but a lot of these people have no family (or none worth anything).
The Republican Party was the party that most closely resembled what many of us believed and therefore had our support. It is because of people like Specter and Collins and Chaffee, and the drift toward that way of thinking, that we are leaving.
You see, we really don't give a damn about the Party since the Party doesn't care about us. They used us for money and votes to gain power. we were compliant when it seemed that they would use that power to advance the principles that we care about. Those days are over.
You suggest that the world will go to hell if we don't support the GOP. I said to tell that to the GOP because it is their acts which are causing many of us to withhold our continued support. If those things are important to them, they will get back on the conservative track to keep our support.
I apologize for not being clearer.
That's my whole point!! After the Clinton impeachment - people wanted nice, nice and we had Compassionate Conservatism and still almost lost to the soccer moms. Do you think once the Dems start impeachment, post 2006 election, people are going to just say, oh yeah, those Dems are a joke I'm voting for a "real Conservative" in 2008? No way, the dems will smear conservativsm big time with their newly granted powers. I think after that, people will just say Washington stinks, I'm going to vote for the "nice guy" in 2008. Someone who will make peace in DC and stop all the qwibbling. (People who vote but don't follow politics fool themselvelves all the time with the can't we all get along fantasy). Someone less controversial. Haven't we seen this before? Of course we have. We got someone people would call a RINO. We should be smarter this time. Anticipate it, shape it to our advantage.
If we can't get Conservatives to win Republican primaries, we won't have a chance winning in the general election. If I'm wrong, show me some examples. A Democrat or Republican WILL become president. A Democrat or Republican will win that Congressional seat.
I do hear you though. I don't know if I'm more disappointed in the Republican Congress or the Republican President. The but is I do remember, it was a whole lot worse when Dems ran the show. The Repubs with all their warts STILL delivered on more of my principled agenda items than the Dems ever did or even thought about doing. Don't think the Repubs don't hear you. They've been given ample warning. You will see something on the borders, and more judges and continuing the tax cut. It may not be everything you wanted but it will be something that can be expanded with more pressure. Also don't think the Dems don't hear you. They're salivating even now as they exploit us. That's not meant to be scaremongering. I think it's just pragmatic with a slight dose of patience against a huge bloated bureaucracy.
No offense to Tony, but this isn't an election for mayor or state representative or even Governor. This is a Senate seat. We do nobody any favors if those of us in Ohio send Sherrod Brown to Washington.
I'm not willing to risk another Metzenbaum out of spite or for any other reason.
The answer is to vote for a more conservative republican in the PRIMARY. Duh.
I, for one, am not happy when a politician delivers on a promise to further socialism in this country. We didn't vote for him because he promised it to us. We voted for him in spite of it only because the alternatives were so much worse.
That's why it's not likely to spur people to vote for someone just because they say that they are Republicans. The Party label no longer defines the person wearing the label.
Chafee is much further LEFT than any other Republican. If anyone wants to call him a RINO, I have no problem because that shoe fits.
Specter and Collins and the rest are not Conservatives, but they are Republicans who vote our way more often than not. Sure, I'd rather have 50 die-hard rock-ribbed conservative Senators who, along with Big Dick Cheney, could run roughshod over the miserable Leftists in the Senate like Box-O-Rox and Durbin and Kennedy -- but we don't have that. So we do what we can.
Check out the ACU ratings of the 'Rats in the Senate compared to the 'Pubs and you'll note that outside of Chafee, the 'Rats are ALL worse than any Republican.
In Ohio, for example, Sherrod Brown's lifetime ACU rating is 76 points less than DeWanker's. Does losing an 80% Conservative for a 4% Conservative make sense to you?
If we throw out the Republican baby because of bath water like Chafee, then we end up with Biden running Judiciary, Searchlight running the Senate -- and for WHAT? HOW are we better off losing ALL power and influence?
The 'Rats, godless commies though they are, hit the rug every night praying that the 'Pubs split so they can get in. Please don't answer their prayers.
Well, that isn't always a realistic option either. An entrenched incumbent is almost impossible to defeat in a primary for many practical reasons. Look at Patches Kennedy -- that guy will waltz to re-election in the GENERAL ELECTION even though he is clearly a mess.
Some Ohio Freepers were hopeful that DeWanker could be beaten or at least face a stiff primary challenge. Fat chance. He didn't have to run any campaign and he still got over 70% of the vote. Yeah, it stinks -- but not as bad as when Glenn and Metzenbaum represented this state in the Senate.
**Which is exactly why I will be writing in TONYRO76!***
So......
In Other words, you'll be voting For Sherrod.....
Thanks for letting us know........
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