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EMTs are listening to patients' dying wishes
The Seattle Times ^ | Tuesday, May 9, 2006 | Carol M. Ostrom

Posted on 05/09/2006 7:22:52 AM PDT by Sopater

Mary Sundborg was a spirited woman of 100 ½ who had long endured advanced colon cancer and two strokes. And she knew how she wanted to die: at home, peacefully, with dignity.

So with the help of her eldest son, she signed an official order specifically directing emergency responders not to attempt CPR.

Then came Jan. 3, the day Sundborg stopped breathing. Her nurse, who wasn't sure at first what was happening, called 911. When emergency medical technicians (EMTs) from the Fire Department arrived at her Magnolia home, they pulled her out of bed, attached their equipment and began pushing on her chest.

"Put her back in bed!" the nurse yelled. Sundborg didn't want to be resuscitated, she told them, waving the "No-CPR" order. One of the emergency workers told her the order had expired, and kept going.

But Sundborg was dead.

[SNIP]

Withholding resuscitation

The study of the "Compelling Reasons" protocol by Sylvia Feder and Roger Matheny, published in the May 2, 2006, issue of Annals of Internal Medicine, found:

• After the protocol was adopted in South King County, CPR was withheld more than twice as often in cardiac-arrest cases.

• In the majority of those cases, emergency workers were honoring verbal requests.

• In private homes, only about a third of families offered written directives.

• In all cases in which CPR was withheld, patients had terminal conditions (35 percent had terminal cancer, 63 percent had another terminal condition such as renal failure, and one patient had an unknown terminal condition with hospice in attendance).

• More than 90 percent of the EMTs said they were comfortable making the decision, and none found it difficult.

Source: Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol. 144, No. 9, 2 May 2006

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: emergencyresponse; healthcare; righttodie
If you don't want CPR, make sure to tell everyone not to call 911.
1 posted on 05/09/2006 7:22:55 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater
She is freakin 100!

I am 41, you damn right I want CPR!
2 posted on 05/09/2006 7:24:49 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
She is freakin 100!

No she's not... she's 100 ½. ;-)
3 posted on 05/09/2006 7:26:47 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

If you are terminal you just want to go..............


4 posted on 05/09/2006 7:28:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (In warfare there are no constant conditions. --- The Art of War by SunTzu)
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To: Sopater
If you don't want CPR, make sure to tell everyone not to call 911.

Yes. And I will add....make your wishes very clear..verbally AND IN WRITING..when being admitted to any hospital. Out patient...or in patient.

FWIW-

5 posted on 05/09/2006 7:28:40 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: Sopater

...and no longer freakin'


6 posted on 05/09/2006 7:29:37 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I am 41, you damn right I want CPR!

Age is not the only factor for me........

7 posted on 05/09/2006 7:30:31 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: Sopater

DNR!


8 posted on 05/09/2006 7:32:00 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: Sopater

I had this same experience in my paramedic days some 20 years ago. I responded to a 911 call for "cardiac arrest". The patients was a mid fifties male. His wife basically told us not to start CPR as he had more than 60% of his heart muscle already dead from previous heart attacks and was terminally ill. One of his kids had called 911 in a panic. My partner and I had no personal problem with following her wishes, but spent a lot of time documenting what happened. It was sure a lot better than my first "defib" ... a woman 99 years old in a nursing home ..staff had "forgotten" she was a DNR (do not resuscitate).


9 posted on 05/09/2006 7:33:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Sopater

Thanks for this wacky-kids', bright-my-day, feelin' good, fun-happy topic.


10 posted on 05/09/2006 7:35:30 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: The Great RJ
It was sure a lot better than my first "defib"

What's your "defib" of choice, if you don't mind my asking?
11 posted on 05/09/2006 7:41:06 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: The Great RJ

You're right, there's the emotional distress for family watching a love one die without getting them help. And once paramedics are on scene, everything in their training is about saving lives, not standing around watching someone die.
A really tough situation all around.


12 posted on 05/09/2006 7:46:49 AM PDT by Sabatier
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To: Sopater
Had a friend who was in a VA hospital canteen one morning...
when a patient began to choke on some food...

The nurse present were unable to successfully give him CPR and he began to turn blue ...then black...

Meanwhile the nurse ran off to get a 'crash cart'...

while she was gone my friend went over and reached way down the unconscious patients throat and pulled out a large piece of Canadian bacon...the man immediately began to breath on his own,got his natural color back ..sat up and spoke..

By the time the crash cart arrived the patient was back in his wheel chair wanting some more breakfast...

The hospital was going to give my friend an award for his quick thinking and action but ended up rescinding the award
as it was discovered the patient had a 'do not resuscitate' order in his records...

Luckily for him they did not give him a ticket or find some obscure rule to have him arrested the way things are going these days...
13 posted on 05/09/2006 7:50:47 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Sopater

My sis in law is caring for an older cancer patient. My hubby, as a firefighter, told her.....post "Do not call 911" signs all over the house. Make sure everyone knows it.
They are required to recussitate.


14 posted on 05/09/2006 8:07:31 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Sopater
If you don't want CPR, make sure to tell everyone not to call 911.

Maybe you want them to come if you fall and break your hip, but not if you stop breathing. The story indicates that the nurse who called 911 wasn't sure what was happening.

15 posted on 05/09/2006 8:44:00 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: joesnuffy

I'm certain that a DNR order applies to natural death from age or disease, but question whether it would apply to a survivable accident.


16 posted on 05/09/2006 9:06:23 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: joesnuffy
Luckily for him they did not give him a ticket or find some obscure rule to have him arrested the way things are going these days...

Lucky for the revived choking victim they didn't strangle him to comply with the DNR

17 posted on 05/09/2006 10:29:19 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." LINCOLN)
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