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The flag that refuses to go away
The Boston Globe ^ | May 8, 2006 | James Carroll

Posted on 05/08/2006 3:32:42 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

THE SAD BLACK flag flies today from the tallest pole at Fenway Park. It flies atop municipal buildings, legion halls, and police stations in every city and town. Fire trucks carry it on antennae, and it waves from highway overpasses. The silhouetted profile of a beleaguered man droops before a prison tower and a string of barbed wire. Inscribed above are ''POW-MIA," and below, ''You are not forgotten."

One would like to think the POW-MIA flag had transcended the reactionary uses to which it was put by a political fringe that abused the memory of lost heroes to raise money and win elections. For many Americans, the flag is simply a token of sorrow for the entire Vietnam episode, and it functions also as a sign of concern for a new generation of US troops who are at war. But the darker meaning dominates. After Vietnam, a self-pitying sense of victimhood defined the American mood. That generated a vengeful determination never to be shown up as weak -- or captive -- again. That, in turn, brought us to the disastrous present, which is explained by recalling that the men on whose watch the disgrace of Vietnam climaxed included Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Their wars against Baghdad (Cheney's in 1991, Rumsfeld's now) were supposed to stifle the Vietnam syndrome once and for all, but Iraq, in pathological recombination, has only quickened it.

No wonder the grief-struck flag refuses to go away. When we Americans behold that silhouetted bowed figure -- the prison tower, the barbed wire -- we may feel the pointed shame anew, but now we recognize the unknown image. We ourselves have become the prisoners of war; it is our own government that has taken us captive. The black flag at last belongs to all of us.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: anotherstupidliberal; powmia
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Go read the whole thing.

1 posted on 05/08/2006 3:32:44 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Go read the whole thing.

I think I'll pass...

2 posted on 05/08/2006 3:35:01 PM PDT by null and void (Islam wasn't hijacked on 9/11. It was exposed.)
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What a pathetic jerk. I am reading the book "Operation Code Name Bright Light" about the rescue attempts of POWs during the war, especially in Laos. Given that my Dad was a pilot on two tours in that area, it could have been him.

Get lost jackass. (Not you Cannoneer)


3 posted on 05/08/2006 3:39:43 PM PDT by doodad
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
So profoundly wrong, in so many ways.

Last Known Alive.

4 posted on 05/08/2006 3:40:03 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The "shame of Vietnam, the disgrace ".......it was mostly that to liberals.
I carry my Viet Nam service with PRIDE.


5 posted on 05/08/2006 3:44:30 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
We ourselves have become the prisoners of war; it is our own government that has taken us captive. The black flag at last belongs to all of us.

What a POS. But then again, I've read some of the left actually write, "I know how the Jews felt during the holocaust." because of their fevered delusions of persecution; i.e. they lost an election.

The left is completely devoid of morals.
6 posted on 05/08/2006 3:52:20 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
recalling that the men on whose watch the disgrace of Vietnam climaxed included Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney.

The Vietnam War ended on April 30, 1975.

Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense from Nov 20, 1975 - Jan 20, 1977.

Dick Cheney was Chief of Staff to the President from October 5, 1975 to Jan 20, 1977.

This author is an idiot.

Say what you will about Vietnam, Cheney and Rumsfeld had nothing to do with it.

7 posted on 05/08/2006 3:55:17 PM PDT by montag813
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To: null and void

Every time I see that flag under the American flag around here, it seems to be an antiwar statement. I know it sounds callous. People have been MIA in all wars. Get over it.


8 posted on 05/08/2006 3:57:00 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: tet68

"I carry my Viet Nam service with PRIDE."

Bless you. I have known other Vietnam vets who served with pride and spent decades honoring the missing by flying the POW/MIA flag right below Old Glory. They are the ones who maintained the lonely vigil through the years, not some clown from the Bostom Globe who hasn't got a clue.

BTW, I have also met a number of ex-South Vietnamese soldiers in this country who also served with pride and defended their country alongside the Americans. One in particular fought in Hue and, after the war, spent 17-years in a concentration camp before being released. He made his escape by boat to Hong Kong before getting to the USA. He is one of the finest Americans I have ever met.


9 posted on 05/08/2006 4:02:09 PM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Just by reading the excerpt I am now stupider than I was 20 seconds ago. I dare not read the whole thing lest I become a total idiot and then, as I sink into the chasm of brain putrification and each synapsis slowly sputtering out--a liberal.


10 posted on 05/08/2006 4:13:25 PM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Blatent lies and propaganda. There are boxes of evidence of Americans being held prisoner and not returning after the war ended.


11 posted on 05/08/2006 4:14:08 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: Chickensoup

If your son or daughter should get that designated as POW or MIA I hope someone says, "Get over it" to you and walks away.


12 posted on 05/08/2006 4:15:43 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: null and void

For those who've never been there, no explanation is possible....... For those who have, no explanation is needed..........


13 posted on 05/08/2006 4:16:05 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: B4Ranch

Yep.


14 posted on 05/08/2006 4:21:32 PM PDT by null and void (Islam wasn't hijacked on 9/11. It was exposed.)
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To: B4Ranch

Do you think there may be some alive after so long? Is there a web site out there still tracking them?


15 posted on 05/08/2006 4:22:34 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan (---an American in Maimi..............)
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To: montag813
The Vietnam War ended on April 30, 1975

.Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense from Nov 20, 1975 - Jan 20, 1977.

Dick Cheney was Chief of Staff to the President from October 5, 1975 to Jan 20, 1977.

...Say what you will about Vietnam, Cheney and Rumsfeld had nothing to do with it.

In April 1975, Rumsfeld was Chief of Staff and Cheney an Assistant to the President. I'm not saying that they were responsible, but don't make it sound like they were nowhere near power at the time.

16 posted on 05/08/2006 4:27:07 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: FreeManWhoCan

I have no idea if they are still actually alive but I do know they'll never die in my memories.


17 posted on 05/08/2006 4:28:15 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: B4Ranch

If your son or daughter should get that designated as POW or MIA I hope someone says, "Get over it" to you and walks away.

It came out wrong and I beg the forgiveness of anyone insulted. What I mean is that Vietname ended over thirty years ago. The MIAs are where ever they ended up. It is a reality of war. Some bodies dont come back. Some pows dont come back. War isnt clean...ever. We expect closure, but there has never and there will never be "closure" in times of war and tragedy for anyone.

Now this flag seems to be used as a warning against war rather than a support for MIAs.


18 posted on 05/08/2006 4:30:35 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I thought it was going to be about the "Stars and Bars".


19 posted on 05/08/2006 4:31:07 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: B4Ranch

I think that some are still alive.


20 posted on 05/08/2006 4:31:16 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan (---an American in Maimi..............)
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