The Great Divide of Citizenship (states, nation, cannot afford illegals, let alone their children)

LA TIMES ^ | May 7, 2006 | Anna Gorman, LA Times Staff Writer

[Liz]

Illegal immigrants whose children are legal residents by birth fear seeing their families split up if some in Congress get their way.

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Nearly two-thirds — an estimated 3 million — of all children of illegal immigrants are citizens, according to data compiled by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group. "People think 'legals' live in this house and 'illegals' live in this house," said immigration attorney Carl Shusterman. "It's not usually that simple."

Families of mixed status have long lived with the threat of being divided, prompting undocumented parents to make strategic decisions about where to live, work and travel. But in recent months, as Congress has been wrestling with immigration issues, their anxiety level has risen.

Diana Hull, who runs Californians for Population Stabilization, said illegal immigrants give birth here to stake a claim in the country. "Of course this is a magnet," she said. "They come here obviously, deliberately to have a citizen child." Hull said children born of illegal immigrants should not have an automatic right to citizenship. Although she is sympathetic to the youngsters, she said, they are a potential drain on public services, and the state and the nation cannot afford them, let alone their families. "The impact on California is that citizen children [of illegal immigrants] add to the population growth," Hull said. "We can't sustain this kind of growth."

But parents who face deportation and use their citizen children as a defense rarely succeed. Under a legal change 10 years ago, parents were required to prove that their deportation would cause "exceptional and extremely unusual hardship" to the children.

[A. Pole]

You call it war.. bush calls it "strategery"

Thou shall not critize GWB!

[kenavi]

I have also done, or am doing, some of the jobs mentioned (and others which for delicacy I will refrain from mentioning!). My point is that the great majority of illegals come here to work like dogs and don't live very well while doing so.

All illegals do not come here to work; though many do come here for that reason. Many also come here to be involved in criminal activities and to take advantage of social programs.

Absolutely true. And even if every one were an angel, our country has the right to control who comes here.

We have the responsibility to defend the law. It is counter-productive and diminishes us, however, to demonize people who are merely doing what most of us would do in their situations.

[yoe]

Please share this letter with everyone.

"Here is some more information on the affects of illegal aliens in the U.S. Are we heading for a violent resolution?"

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

By Frosty Wooldridge
February 27, 2006
NewsWithViews.com

As a teacher, I sat dumbfounded last May 16, 2005, when the Rocky Mountain News inked a story, "What Happened?" to a stunned Denver, Colorado audience. In a five year study starting in 1999 in Denver Public Schools, 5,663 students started the eighth grade. Five years later, only 1,884 graduated from high school. That's a 65 percent drop out/flunk out rate! That's pathetic, if not frightening. What was the cause? First of all, 30,000 illegal aliens, speaking 40 different languages, attended Denver schools. Our classrooms suffered thousands of kids functionally illiterate in English with parents functionally illiterate in English and Spanish. The classrooms featured so much incompatible diversity that it created horrific tension, stabbings and death. Thus, American kids suffered a profoundly dumbed-down educational process. One in five teachers quit or transferred out of those Denver classrooms every nine month cycle during those five years. Last week, the Denver Post announced that 30 percent of teachers in Denver schools were not coming back next year.

This is a nationwide travesty. Why? As a teacher, I taught in the inner city in the 1970s. It's exasperating beyond understanding to walk into a classroom where children suffer learning disabilities, broken homes, teen pregnancies at 14, 15, 16, multiple languages and violent confrontations with other ethnic groups. It's impossible to teach. I left my idealism in the ghetto and escaped to a suburban school. But, today, teachers can't escape because over 1.5 million illegal alien students with more than 100 languages attend our kids' schools nationwide. We witness a national breakdown in education. Last week, Superintendent Roy Romer of Los Angeles public schools resigned in frustration and defeat. California schools match the violence of a war zone. Can you imagine such a failure rate across the country? Can you imagine the consequences of an illiterate generation leading this Republic into the 21st century? Folks, this country won't make it. Where is the outrage?

It takes four aspects for a free and democratic society to maintain itself. It requires a highly educated population that can write, read, think and vote intelligently. It takes a similar moral code whereby everyone adheres to the common good. It requires a similar code of ethics whereby citizens adhere to honesty, doing what is right and maintaining those ethics throughout the social fabric. Finally, it takes a similar language that allows citizens to discuss, debate and resolve problems. We compromise all four with an invasion exceeding four million new people into the USA annually?20 million illegals to date and climbing. We allow the disintegration of our nation without a whimper. Where is the outrage?

Last Monday, February 20, 2006, the Rocky Mountain News reported, "Mile-High Drug Hub" making Denver the leading center for drug distribution in the United States. It's part of MS-13 Gang's dispersal of $128 billion in drugs crossing our border with Mexico every year. Ironically, Congress guards South Korea's border with 37,000 troops with our billions in tax dollars, pats down gray-haired ladies at our airports, spends $80 billion annually on the war on drugs, but leaves our border unguarded allowing that $128 billion in drugs to cross year after year. Additionally, terrorists from any country can walk over the Mexican border with a 99 percent chance of succeeding. Where is the outrage? With a growing illegal alien population exceeding 300,000 in Colorado, the state House legislators on Wednesday of last week defeated six bills to stop illegal alien migration. One particular bill, HB 1134, would have given cops the ability to arrest, detain and deport illegals. It was soundly defeated after dozens of citizens, including this Coloradan, testified to support the bill's passage. I demanded, "We are tired of being collateral damage for illegal aliens. We're tired of being raped, killed, robbed and our schools being trashed by multiple languages while our medical systems take better care of illegals than our own citizens." Representative Francesca Natividad Coleman remarked that it was a Federal issue. I retorted, "We're the ones getting killed and raped here locally and we're tired of it." Last year, three Coloradans were killed by illegals; Greeley, Colorado suffered 270 hit and run car accidents alone; eight rapes by illegal aliens in Boulder and thousands of robberies. Where is the outrage? To top off the crisis in our Denver schools, the Rocky Mountain News reported the next day, February 21, 2006, "Welfare Surges 45%" with an increase of 4,743 cases. They said it was tough job hunting, but neglected to mention that 300,000 illegal aliens in Colorado stole jobs from Coloradans in every sector: drywall, construction, landscaping, fast food, house painting, janitorial, paving and dozens of other jobs formerly worked by Coloradans. Where is the outrage?

Denver Mayor Hickenlooper hired illegal aliens long before he was mayor and one of his illegal employees, Raul Gomez-Garcia, killed Denver police officer Don Young last May. Hickenlooper stood in direct violation of federal laws and could have been fined $2, 000.00 per illegal alien hired (estimated at 70 working in his restaurants) and he could have gone to prison for five years. Governor Owens actually endorsed a booklet showing illegal aliens how to embed themselves in Colorado. He aided and abetted illegal aliens, but didn't receive a slap on the wrist. Where is the outrage? Since it's happening in my state with 300,000 illegal aliens, can you imagine what is happening in California with three million? Or, North Carolina with one million? How about Illinois with one million illegals? How about Texas with 1.5 million? I know Texans pay over $4.1 billion annually for educating their massive load of student illegals. Where is the outrage? We're being colonized with over nine million illegal alien Mexicans crashing our schools, medical systems, language, culture, parks, tax and welfare systems. One look at the headlines of major newspapers across the country echoes and mirrors the Rocky Mountain News. Where is the outrage? It stupefies me beyond comprehension that Americans sit back and watch this invasion of their country without any outrage. Worse, without any response! More than that--without a concern for their own kids' future! Even more horrific, the line of immigrants from Mexico (and the world) shows no sign of stopping, as the number of Mexicans grows from their current 106 million to 200 million in this century.

As I open this can of worms weekly; as I expose this accelerating national crisis weekly; as you experience its quickening day by day? I would think the outrage would reach fantastic levels. But it is not! In fact, Bush, Congress and governors of all 50 states not only watch it happen, they actively aid and abet it. Arlan Specter of Pennsylvania wants to add another one to two million legal immigrants annually. Senators John McCain and Ted Kennedy want to give amnesty to 20 million illegals and add more in a guest worker program. Utah's Chris Cannon welcomes millions of Mexicans as he encourages their takeover of our country. His sidekick Senator Orrin Hatch mirrors that sentiment. Representative Joe Baca of California actively promotes the takeover of California by Mexico as he endorses "Reconquista of Aztlan." As Mark Twain said, "Suppose you were an idiot; and suppose you were a member of Congress; but then, I repeat myself." Twain got it right, but where is the outrage? While 85 to 95 percent of the American public wants our borders secured, they stand around quietly sucking their thumbs while doing nothing. However, the outrage and arrogance of millions of illegal alien migrants in America advances like Paris, France's recent experience with immigration? 10,000 fire bombed cars and a month-long conflagration! We watched stupidly as if it won't happen to us. Think again! Of the thousands of emails I receive, the worst and the most frightening ones are from citizens who tell me, "Keep your powder dry!" –

[nicmarlo]

Breaking the Piggy Bank:
How Illegal Immigration is Sending Schools Into the Red

"The calculation of the number of children of illegal aliens in the K-12 public school system indicates that more than 15 percent of California’s students are children of illegal aliens, as are more than ten percent of the students in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Nevada, and Texas. More than five percent of the students are the children of illegal aliens in Florida, Georgia, Kansas, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, and Washington."

[A. Pole]

As a teacher, I sat dumbfounded last May 16, 2005, when the Rocky Mountain News inked a story, "What Happened?" to a stunned Denver, Colorado audience. In a five year study starting in 1999 in Denver Public Schools, 5,663 students started the eighth grade. Five years later, only 1,884 graduated from high school. That's a 65 percent drop out/flunk out rate! That's pathetic, if not frightening.

What was the cause? First of all, 30,000 illegal aliens, speaking 40 different languages, attended Denver schools. Our classrooms suffered thousands of kids functionally illiterate in English with parents functionally illiterate in English and Spanish. The classrooms featured so much incompatible diversity that it created horrific tension, stabbings and death. Thus, American kids suffered a profoundly dumbed-down educational process. One in five teachers quit or transferred out of those Denver classrooms every nine month cycle during those five years. Last week, the Denver Post announced that 30 percent of teachers in Denver schools were not coming back next year.

Open borders bump!

[nmh]

Would you believe on "conservative" FR on another thread stating these ugly facts wasn't permitted?

Be careful. Moderators don't like these kinds of facts nor criticism of Bush pushing this ILLEGAL alien thing.

[last american]

Be careful. Moderators don't like these kinds of facts nor criticism of Bush pushing this ILLEGAL alien thing.

FR has actually loosened up quite a bit over the years. In the past if you said ANYTHING disparaging about Jorge you were booted. I guess the mods finally realized that the "sheeple" have woken up.

[nmh]

One can only hope they've woken up too!

Some still haven't gotten it yet ... .

[Liz]

On A FR thread "Immigration reform is unlikely this year " from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, these letter excerpts said it best for all of us:

“Several suggested that the marchers protest in Mexico about the Mexican government and its inability to provide for its citizen”

Some suggested that people who came here illegally have no standing to suggest a change to U.S. laws.”

People were saying things like, "I’ll tell you what they are trying to do, make the United States into Mexico with benefits."

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One of the best comments was posted right here on FR awhile back after one of the marches by eakole: ......."These scofflaws and criminals do not only want American jobs, they also want all the rights of American Citizens with the intent to inflict upon us the failed customs, politics, and ignorance that frame the foundation of Mexico’s class-conscious tyranny, universal lawlessness and eternal poverty.............."


Mexico is a satrap ruled by a despotic government-of-the-wealthy that tosses citizens it considers useless over the US border, to become wards of American taxpayers, and the US welfare system.

Now they demand veto power over US immigration policy. And some in Congress are prepared to ignore the US Constitution and have signed on to the Mexican agenda.

Americans are defending our citizenship from those who would devalue it, who are dragging our country down into anarchy.

[anonymoussierra]

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"Open your hearts America of United States. Open and know your enemy. Night is close. Open your true spirit of your "Great nation on a shining hill." Enemy is close. Please help yourself, understand my writings; eto fore you will be call to protect your great nation.

Trojan horse is around you. Enemies have surrounded you. I can see this from distance. It is not immigration, eto fore is enemies from afar. They have surrounded you like lions to devour you, infore due: they plan against you like wolf against a sheep. Open your eyes great nation.

My words are of nothing, I do care of you. War is heating up. Tre; one psychopath will give step of war this humanity is not willing to fight, infore etu will be and more will be.
Sword is coming. Understand final battle is of souls not of body. Outside there is life, one will know other will not. "

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Be strong America, Israel, Poland my country!!! thank you all

[Kitty Mittens]

Thank you for your Excellent Post, Dear Sara! Our Lord Bless your Words, Bless you, and Bless Poland and America Always!