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IRAQ: Part of me died when I saw this cruel killing
The Sunday Times ^ | May 7, 2006 | HALA JABER

Posted on 05/07/2006 6:29:17 AM PDT by MadIvan

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To: nmh
Here is the really appalling thing.

Suppose we caught one of the animals who tortured and killed this woman and tried him in an American court like the left wants us to do. Like Moussaui, the jury would probably decide the poor fellow had been abused by his father and consequently no call for the death penalty.

21 posted on 05/07/2006 6:54:59 AM PDT by trek
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To: MadIvan
Oh my God.

I am always torn on whether or not to click on threads like this.
But this is what we're up against.

Gotta go throw up now.
22 posted on 05/07/2006 6:55:26 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: MadIvan

how absolutely horrible!


23 posted on 05/07/2006 6:57:08 AM PDT by leda (Dream a better dream and work to make it reality!)
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To: MadIvan

The only real challenge is in the discernment of what group to slaughter if the murderers are not clearly identified.

One method might be to simply slaughter all who remained alive and in the area of the activity. Since they have already exhibited a propensity to become inactive in the face of fear, then it is better they remain fearful of legitimate authority, than of murderous thugs self absorbed in manmade religious legalism.

If it is possible to isolate those immediately accountable for the murders, then the easier it will be for those not immediately guilty of the crime to return to God on His terms, rather than on man's terms.


24 posted on 05/07/2006 6:58:26 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Axlrose
This applies to all islam, not just the Iraqis.
25 posted on 05/07/2006 6:58:58 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: MadIvan

Oh no, they shold ahve their rights protected if we capture them. Be given lawyers and a "fair" trial.


26 posted on 05/07/2006 7:02:39 AM PDT by MiHeat
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To: Samurai_Jack; MadIvan
MadIvan wrote:
The animals who did this barbarous act are precisely the type of people who should be killed without mercy.

And Samuri_Jack responded:
Sadly, we in the west do not have the moral courage to exact proper justice upon those who would commit such a barbarous act.

You are both right, of course.

Sadly, this illustrates the great dilemma The West faces.

The awful reality is that fully one-quarter of the world's population belongs to an evil cult-religion that exhorts this type of behavior upon its followers as a glorious and proper step to the furtherance of that cult-religion.

One and one-quarter billion people.

No, they are not ALL "terrorists". But a sizable minority of them - a "minority" of tens, perhaps hundreds, of millions - DO support such terrorist atrocities in the jihadic struggle against the infidels. And I daresay a teeming "silent plurality" (if not indeed the MAJORITY) of Islamics do not, or will not, object to such practices.

Whether they abstain from doing so out of fear, or because many silently agree, makes no difference from our viewpoint in The West. The results will be the same. Even a tiny percentage of one and one-quarter billion makes for a lot of potential holy warriors.

And, as Samuri_Jack has noted, we of The West are in danger of losing this struggle because we no longer have the requisite moral courage necessary to recognize the total evil of Islam, to confront it, and to wage total war and thus destroy it.

Prompted by a self-hating cultural and media elite, we of the West are gradually losing our faith in ourselves, our culture, our religious heritage, and our moral superiority (yes, folks, SUPERIORITY) over the rest of the world. Into the moral vacuum of the West will rush the forces of Islam, which has no such doubts regarding its _own_ "superiority" vis-a-vis the infidels.

They will have no qualms about enforcing their version of "justice" against us. None whatsoever.

Without the cultural and ethnic cohesiveness to value our own self-worth...
Without the moral courage to recognize the enemy for what it is...
Without the stomach to engage in a battle that will be nothing less than the Armageddon itself...
Without the faith to endure economic hardship and sacrifice at home...
How will we win?

Just some thoughts that probably don't mean anything,
- John

27 posted on 05/07/2006 7:04:54 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: SkyPilot

Demons from hell?

That is, just what we are fighting.
Study the Holy Bible weather you believe in it or not and, you will find a detailed account of what we are fighting.

Don't hope to see things to get better with the war on terror.
We are only in the beginning of this fight.

President Bush has studied the Holy Bible and he knows very well what we are facing, just this week He has said we are in WW3 and, I agree with his statement.

Demonic forces are at play as never in the history of mankind, God warned us to put on the whole armor, we will need it in the future events that are starting to unfold.


28 posted on 05/07/2006 7:04:56 AM PDT by buck61
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To: MadIvan
We may never know who killed Bahjat or why. But the manner of her death testifies to the breakdown of law, order and justice...

I beg to differ. That is the traditional Muslim form of Law, order and "justice". They (all obsevant male Muslims over twelve years of age) must all be killed or converted. Islam is not a religion; it is a death cult masquerading as such.

29 posted on 05/07/2006 7:06:40 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: MadIvan
These guys remind me of the Japanese,(read rape of Nanking) or the Germans during WWII. No regard for life. A very oriental view of the value of life. The civilized world must make some very nasty choices to defeat them. We had to nuke the Japanese and Powder Dresden and other civilian centers to get the attention of the axis powers. Can we win this? I don't know. We can't win this doing what we are doing now. Can we live with ourselves if we do what is necessary? Well, I can sleep soundly at night knowing that the United States exploded nuclear devices twice and fire bombed Tokyo killing countless civilians. But we removed a horror from the face of the earth.

God help us all.
30 posted on 05/07/2006 7:07:18 AM PDT by DariusBane (I do not separate people, as do the narrow-minded, into Greeks and barbarians.)
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To: trek
Suppose we caught one of the animals who tortured and killed this woman and tried him in an American court like the left wants us to do. Like Moussaui, the jury would probably decide the poor fellow had been abused by his father and consequently no call for the death penalty.

I would venture to say just about any muslim we would try in an American court of law has been abused by somebody.

31 posted on 05/07/2006 7:08:36 AM PDT by scan58
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To: MadIvan

This of course will be covered by NBCowards!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


32 posted on 05/07/2006 7:10:41 AM PDT by bray (Racists for Rice '08)
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To: MadIvan
Someone ought to grab Michael Moore by the neck and force him to read this article.

You and I both know this story would mean nothing to him.

33 posted on 05/07/2006 7:10:49 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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To: MadIvan

I say take Micheal Moore, strip him naked, hang a sign around his neck that says "Allah is a dog and a child rapist" and plunk his hefty a$$ in the middle of this Muslim neighborhood. Wonder if he'd still love them after they got finished with him?


34 posted on 05/07/2006 7:11:09 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: MadIvan

I say take Micheal Moore, strip him naked, hang a sign around his neck that says "Allah is a dog and a child rapist" and plunk his hefty a$$ in the middle of this Muslim neighborhood. Wonder if he'd still love them after they got finished with him?


35 posted on 05/07/2006 7:13:29 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: Cvengr
The only real challenge is in the discernment of what group to slaughter if the murderers are not clearly identified.

All observant Muslim males from twelve years old. A good start would be a lot of "accidents" in the bomb factories in the mosque basements, here and abroad.

36 posted on 05/07/2006 7:14:41 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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37 posted on 05/07/2006 7:15:17 AM PDT by csvset
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To: MadIvan
The animals who killed her want to bring their fomr of "justice", and civil libertie-not, to all of Iraq and then the rest of the world. That is why the rest of the Iraqis are now fighting them so hard...and dieing themselves as they fight for their country.

Here is a picture of this woman as she reported. This is who these animals butchered and mutilated because they could not stand up to her reporting the truth of their activities.


38 posted on 05/07/2006 7:16:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: JimRed

Oops, I forgot:

< /rant >


39 posted on 05/07/2006 7:16:38 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: MadIvan

"The animals who did this barbarous act are precisely the type of people who should be killed without mercy."

I couldn't agree more! What makes me equally angry is the liberals out there who just don't get it. You can't deal with these types in a civilized fashion.


40 posted on 05/07/2006 7:18:49 AM PDT by Spottys Spurs
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