toga!
Posted on 05/06/2006 4:15:33 AM PDT by Born Conservative
SCOTUS is of course very important. But it alone is not enough to get me to vote for another rino.
Considering McCain is more of a conservative than the alternative, I'd vote for him against ANY Democrat. Sure he's off the plantation on a number of things, but WOT, abortion and a few other key issues, he's a lot saner than any DUmmie.
Or ANY Third Party candidate.
Third parties simply take too long to get together enough political power in our current times for a new one to arise with the support on the state and congressional level to mean anything. I'm 40 years old, I can't afford to wait till I'm dead for a new "conservative" party to arise and have the country flushed down the tubes by the democrats.
It's like this: no matter what you tell the Republican party, as soon as you say "but I'll support you in the election" you've told them to 'disregard all before'. Think of vote refusal as practicing 'tough love', or as 'shaping the platform in 2008'.
The Republic can survive Democrats in power for a while, it has before.
Not liberals, moderates. Moderates are those who think for themselves, rather than have to be told how to think.
Me too, but it sure would be unpleasant. I truly hope it doesn't come to that.
Whatever you wish to call them I will not support them one bit.
Thus the birth of FreeRepublic. We may be disgusted with invertebrate Republicans, but we can't let them continue to fall either. We need to reach out and lead them.
As far as the rats, hang 'em.
Based on the comments on this thread, I'd have to say conservatism is not a big issue for a large number of Freepers.
Well said.
A simple change like getting rid of earmarks could do wonders for the party.
Um...no. Moderates have no beliefs. Thats why they can't come down on one side or the other.
toga!
Nothing, absolutely nothing on Earth would ever get me to vote for that evil, vile despicable man. If McCain was President, in four years our Republic would be so screwed that Republicans at all levels would be voted out of office. Those who cherish Liberty should go on record as stating that they would never vote for McCain. The powers that be should realize many of us will NOT hold our nose and vote for this disgusting person, because of who runs against him. I will gladly sit out this election. Our party can survive Hillary, it cannot survive a McCain Presidency. He in a very unstable, bitter and vile man. It would be quite dangerous to have him in charge (I know the same can be said of Hillary, but I think she will be defeated)
Absolutely, especially this:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=277
Nice hypothetical.
Since it will never happen, why bother?
One party systems (which is what we have by the defacto abandonment of "The Game" by the bankrupt Demoscats.) almost always becomes a haven for all persuasions, being the only game in town.
{Are you "getting any of this"? }
One-note Whackos have a hard time dealing with the realities of life in general,much less the confusion that attends to an egalitarian reality... control freaks are by nature "unfun folks" to be around.
Moderates have no beliefs.
Us despised moderates have a lot of thought systems rather than belief systems.
Third Parties are a waste of time in the National arena. They are more useful in affecting local politics, where third party candidates in sufficient numbers will force the two bigger parties to examine and adopt parts of the third party platform in order to co-opt the voter base for the third party.
We've seen how national third parties affect elections. In the 1990s, we lost to Clinton twice because of Ross Perot. In 2000, we won narrowly by virtue of Ralph Nader. In 2004, Ralph Nader wasn't even on the radar.
My amateur analysis is that we should be very careful at the national level when dealing with third parties. If you vote for a third party on the national level, you usually get the opposite of what you wanted, and the lag time between elections ensures that any lessons you thought you were teaching to your Republican, former representative will be lost in the struggle to oust the liberal, because by then the only lesson learned is that even a RINO is better than a Liberal.
This isn't directed at you DW. I just thought I'd ride your post and tack on my 2 cents.
We have a problem with career politicians in elected office. Our guys look weak because they're exactly that and not ideological brethren. The Left has an advantage over us, in that they've somehow managed to get ideological liberals elected. In any battle, the side that believes in itself the most has the advantage of being willing to go to extreme lengths to achieve their goals. We've seen this with the Liberal Left with great dismay. We have yet to see large numbers of Republicans willing to put their jobs on the line in favor of advancing the conservative agenda.
If we want to teach our national leaders a lesson, we need to start by building up the smaller third parties at the local level. Electing responsible, conservative local representatives will also be the most effective way of controlling the effect of government in our lives. We live in a Federal republic. If this were France, the focus on the national level would be justified, but this is the United States, and the best way to reign in the Federal Government is to elect conservative State and local governments. However, if an opportunity arises to select conservatives in the upcoming primaries for national seats, do you best to help, but not at the cost of handing a seat over to the Democrats.
We seem to have a shortage of ethical people willing to stand up to the scrutiny and hostility of a liberal press. There is only so much vilification a good person can take before deciding the prize isn't worth it. If ever there was a RICO qualified scam taking place, it is the media's use of free speech to dishonestly destroy candidates they don't like, only to have those stories revealed as false or unprovable at a later date. Intimidation is how our enemies operate, be they Al Qaeda, or Democrats. Accurate, timely, and accessible information is the key to defeating both.
Ah well, enough is enough... Time for bed.
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