Posted on 05/05/2006 1:35:32 PM PDT by RobFromGa
In my letter to Rep. Linder and Mr. Boortz of August 24, 2005, I pointed out a number of what I called serious misrepresentations of the Fair Tax plan contained in The FairTax Book. I specifically named many of these by page #.
Now that the revised second issue is out, lets see what they did to these passages in the book:
First edition page 55, you go on to explain that these embedded taxes are in addition to the money taken out of your check in income and payroll taxes.
Second edition- this line was eliminated. This means that they are acknowledging that the 22% embedded taxes INCLUDE the income and payroll taxes which was one of my points all along.
First edition page 59, Once the FairTax takes effect, youll be receiving 100 percent of every paycheck, with no withholding of federal income taxes, Social security taxes, or Medicare taxes and youll be paying just about the same price for T-shirts and other consumer goods and services that you were paying before the FairTax.
Second edition- Once the FairTax takes effect, youll be in complete control of your paycheck as nothing will be withheld and your purchasing power for t-shirts and all other goods and services will be almost exactly what it was before the FairTax.
This means that they are acknowledging that purchasing power will remain the same, not a big increase in purchasing power as they previously asserted with their larger paychecks/same prices verbiage. They eliminated the 100% of paycheck wording.
First edition page 83: Remember that the poor, along with everyone elsewill no longer have Social Security taxes or Medicare taxes removed from their paychecks. Whatever they earn, they get on payday. For most of those we categorize as poor, this would mean an immediate 25 to 30 percent increase in their take-home pay.
Second edition- Remember that the poor, along with everyone elsewill no longer have Social Security taxes or Medicare taxes removed from their paychecks. Whatever they earn, they get on payday. If employers leave this money in paychecks instead of taking it out of price, most of those we categorize as poor, this would mean an immediate 25 to 30 percent increase in their take-home pay.
Of course, this acknowledges that the employer has a choice to maketo pay the worker his current paycheck and not reduce prices (meaning prices with FairTax added go up 30%) or to cut paychecks to present takehome levels. They cannot both give workers more takehome pay and reduce prices. The Free Lunch described in the first edition is eliminated.
First edition, page 84, you make it clear though that even though the workers will keep all of their paychecks for a big raise, you still believe that because of the disappearance of the embedded taxes, the total price paid for consumer goods will remain very nearly the same.
Second editionwhen you factor in the combined lower prices/higher takehome pay caused by the disappearance of the embedded taxes prices will remain about the same.
This again acknowledges that they money currently deducted as taxes can either be used to increase take-home pay or reduce prices but not both at the same time. If they were being more honest here, they would have referred to purchasing power remaining the same rather than prices, but they are trying to put the best possible spin on this major admission.
First edition page 111, you tie it all together with a Quick Review in which you erroneously assert that Heres what happens when we pass and implement the FairTax plan:
We start collecting 100 percent of our earnings on our paycheck.
We all get virtual raises, since payroll taxes are no longer siphoned from our checks.
The prices of consumer goods and services remain essentially the same, with the removal of the embedded taxes compensating for the added consumption tax.
Second edition:
We start controlling our earnings in every paycheck (whatever that means)
100% earnings line is eliminated from the second edition. "virtual raises" is likewise eliminated.
Our purchasing power for buying consumer goods and services remains essentially the same, with the removal of the embedded taxes compensating for the added consumption tax.
This is a MAJOR difference in the Quick Review! In the first edition, they promised larger paychecks and prices remianign the samewhich means a major increase in purchasing power. Of course this was a ridiculous promise. In the second edition, they say our purchasing power will be about the same.
They still left a lot of wrong and misleading verbiage throughout the book, but they addressed most of the concerns that I sent to them and removed those claims in the second book.
Why don't you try NOT reporting your income? I think you'll see guns appear very quickly...
CA....
Or your "fair" tax sales.
There's lots you can't see, Nightie, even that relating to the FairTax. But as for post #410, you found one typo and now you try to protect yourself by hinting there may be another.
Last chance, Nightie, have out with it - what other mistakes have you found? You've called me a liar obviously inferring that there are no more errors and now you're not so sure it seems as you duck for cover.
Which is it Nightie??? Tell us the other errors you've found or tell us you're certain there are no more; so drop this "except for a typo or two" pretext. Can't have it both ways.
My mouth's just watering over that cookie (I think) but if you'd tell me about it perhaps it wouldn't be of interest after all. After all, I know how those in the SQL Squad like to pretend things that are not true.
What's that old saying about "honesty among thieves"? ... or maybe it's "honor among thieves"?
But you're right; name calling and accusing any FairTax supporter of lying and dishonesty is their main weapon since the facts are certainly not on their side unless heavily "manipulated".
Heck, Nightie won't even tell me about the cookie reward he's offering to tell them about the error, so why SHOULD I tell them?
At any rate having them accusing me of being a liar is really funny in view of the actual error. I'd bet a 6th grader could find it, but at least it gives them something creative to do.
You know what they say ... idle minds are the devils tools. And I doubt the devil needs any more help than he already has with the Squirrels.
See - Nightie is after you now cause he can't find the error.
That's pathetic.
With the FairTax, mojoron, not reporting your collected sales tax will be quickly spotted ... but then since you've never read the bill and don't know about that you'll just continue looking foolish by making irrational statements.
IAE, the situation is different since with the income tax the government can bring its full resources to bear on the individual taxpayer who is assumed to be guilty until he proves his innocence. With the FairTax, the taxpayer has no interaction with the federal government WRT income (or taxes) and only the merchant who has stolen the federal tax money that he agreed to collect (and is paid to do so) gets the attention of the state tax folks. Even then the retailer doing the defalcation is presumed innocent until proved guilty.
The situations you try to pretend to be the same are totally different.
The magic tax fairy will spot off the book sales where no tax is collected. Thus sayeth the cult.
There's lots you can't see, Nightie, even that relating to the FairTax. But as for post #410, you found one typo and now you try to protect yourself by hinting there may be another.Are typos errors now? Should we go through all of your post and point out the "errors" - because your posts are chock full of typos.
Last chance, Nightie, have out with it - what other mistakes have you found? You've called me a liar obviously inferring that there are no more errors and now you're not so sure it seems as you duck for cover.I don't see any. I beginning to think we are about to see the mother of all nitpicks.
Last chance, Nightie, have out with it - what other mistakes have you found? You've called me a liar obviously inferring that there are no more errors and now you're not so sure it seems as you duck for cover.He misspelled "single" (which he pointed out) and he hyphenated "misrepresent." Big frickin deal.
My mouth's just watering over that cookie (I think) but if you'd tell me about it perhaps it wouldn't be of interest after all. After all, I know how those in the SQL Squad like to pretend things that are not true.Your mouth's watering from the rabies. Maybe that can be your excuse for this sad, pathetic game your are playing.
See - Nightie is after you now cause he can't find the error.Are we playing hide and seek now? You two need to get a life.
Why don't you try NOT reporting your income? I think you'll see guns appear very quickly...I think you would get quite a few letters and phone calls first. If you were not to pay, collect, or remit the FairTax you would probably get a similar result.
You didn't answer the question. How long did it take?How long did it take you to do you taxes this year?Too long! Much too long!!!!
I don't think so. You have someone else prepare your taxes, don't you?No. I did them myself in less than 2 hours - and I itemize.
With the FairTax, mojoron, not reporting your collected sales tax will be quickly spotted ... but then since you've never read the bill and don't know about that you'll just continue looking foolish by making irrational statements.Can you quote the part of the bill that will facilitate not reporting collected sales taxes to be quickly spotted. Thanks.
The error to which pigdog refers is, as you put it, Your Nightmare, "the mother of all nitpicks." In post #410, Rob mistyped the name of Capote's book "In Cold Blood" as "In True Blood."
Now, we can all expect pigdog to claim yet ANOTHER error, but, whether there is another or not, these facts remain:
"The FairTax Book" is NOT the highest non-fiction paperback NYT list debut in 40 years.All the best, DimplesBoortz IS misrepresenting that fact.
pigdog IS an idiot.
groanup, do you know when the NYT Nonfiction Paperback bestseller list was started? The NYT Hardcover lists started in 1942. Sometime in the 60's or early 70's paperbacks gained some level of respectability and the NYT added a Mass-Market Paperback category, and at some point later a Trade Paperback category. These distinctions between mass-market and trade were related to point of purchase and not related to fiction or non-fiction status. (since mass market books are sold outside of bookstores in large quantities and the previous list was almost all bookstores).
Sometime after 1980, they went to the Paperback Fiction and Paperback Nonfiction they use now.
Here is an excerpt for NYT in 1981 re 1980 book sales:
Published: January 18, 1981
The year-end figures have been toted up, and the news seems to be good. The overall holiday sales, booksellers report, were up 12 to 20 percent over the same period in 1979.
Also, the relationship of the sales of hardcover general best sellers to fiction - the former usually outsell the latter by 12 to 15 percent - was maintained. The lists this week represent the start of an inter-season waiting period -no new titles, no dramatic changes. ''The Official Preppy Handbook'' is outperforming the next title on the trade paperback list two to one. ''The Complete Scarsdale Medical Diet,'' by the late Dr. Tarnower, is off all lists for the first time in two years. (It was a hardcover best seller for a year, and, when it dropped from that list, instantly appeared on the mass paperback list, where it also stayed for a year.)
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Note that the scarsdale diet is on the mass paperback list even though it is non-fiction.
So, Boortz's claim of the highest paperback book debut for over forty years is even more ludicrous since the nonfiction paperback list hasn't even been around for forty years.
Note that they also added a Paperback Advice (How-To and Misc) category at some point further diluting the value of the nonfiction book list (since these advice books are also nonfiction).
Now we can all agree I think that Boortz is still misrepresenting the significance of his book debuting at #3 on the Nonfiction Paperback list as something much more significant than it really is. Still up on his website (from May 11):
SENDING YET ANOTHER MESSAGE...Yesterday we got the first numbers for sales of the soft cover edition of The FairTax Book. We debuted as No. 3! Now ... a little historical perspective. In the 1950's Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Weisel's book "Night" debuted as No 1. on the New York Times paperback list. Then in 1966 Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood" debuted as No. 2. Now, in 2006, The FairTax Book debuts as No. 3! This is the highest first week for a paperback in 40 years!
Since there wasn't even a Nonfiction Paperback list when Night and In Cold Blood came out in paperback, one has to wonder what exactly Boortz is referring to. I happen to think that my initial speculation, that he misread the notification that his book was #3 behind Night and In Cold Blood caused him to shut off his thinking faculties and publish his erroneous claims, is probably correct.
Now pigdog likely has another take from his alternative FairTax world where Neal Boortz tells the truth.
Oh, no one was offended except one particularly stupid person, good...Only other nitwit Fairtaxers (you know who you are) should care about the irrelevant ramblings of their resident lunatic.
Rob mistyped the name of Capote's book "In Cold Blood" as "In True Blood."Liberals and gays get all pushed out of shape and will go on and on trying to make YOU look like a fool when you don't give proper respect to one of their own.
Naw, mojoron, it'll be the state sale tax authority who does that - and they are quite experienced at it and have many ways to cross check.
We'll hope you try this if you're a reseller collecting the tax - you'd enjoy meeting with your fellow Squirrels in the slammer (of course we all know you all are just hype and BS on your mythical "evasion" schemes).
And you, Dimp-Dimp, win Nightie's cookie. It's really hard to understand how the bunch of your compatriots could fail to see such an obvious error and repeatedly call those who spotted it "liars". No doubt they'll readily admit how wrong they were and eat all that crow now.
That's the normal Squirrel MO, though - misstate and never admit an error. It's good to see you found it even though I don't get the cookie (it was probably full of nuts anyway). Good work and lets hope Nightie, etc. don't now call you a turncoat for finding something so obvious and making them look stoopid.
That was the only error I commented on (the typo wasn't worth commenting on - I luv typos as you know). As for Boortz and his statements, they are what they are and he does a good job of publicizing the FairTax whether you like it (or him) or not.
In the meantime, the 40 or so posts where your moronic buds who cannot read and comprehend have been calling those who spotted the error "liars" repeatedly and attempting to impugn them are shown to absolutely be like the guy passing gas in church.
Robbie's former vanity posts about The FairTax Book earlier were and are a bunch of hooey. If you swallow them as anything but made of whole cloth, it is you who are the idiot.
Good work on reading, though. Perhaps you can teach your pals how.
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