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Soledad cross (again) ordered removed
San Diego UNION ^ | May 3, 2006 | Onell R. Soto

Posted on 05/03/2006 1:37:30 PM PDT by radar101

federal judge on Wednesday ordered the removal of the Mount Soledad cross from property owned by the city of San Diego within 90 days or he will fine the city $5,000 a day. “It is now time, and perhaps long overdue, for this court to enforce its initial permanent injunction forbidding the presence of the Mount Soledad cross on city property,” said U.S. District Judge Gordon Thompson.

Thompson first found the presence of the cross on city property unconstitutional in 1991 because it violated the separation of church and state.

Since then, his order, and the issue of the cross, has been subject to more than a decade of litigation, public debates and, in recent years, two public votes.

The lawyer who fought for the removal of the cross said he expects city officials to comply with the judge's order and have it removed.

“I don't think the city has its heart in taking more action,” attorney James McElroy said.

City officials were not immediately available for comment, but during an hour-long court hearing, a lawyer for the city said that people had voted for transfer of the land under the cross to the federal government.

That transfer, which a Superior Court judge found unconstitutional, is now on appeal, said Deputy City Attorney David Karlin. He said legal papers are due by the end of the month.

Litigation over the cross is probably not over.

A group formed last year to ask voters to approve transferring the property to the federal government is looking at the possibility of appealing Thompson's decision.

Philip Paulson, the man who sued back in 1989 for removal of the cross, declined comment after Wednesday's ruling, saying he would let his lawyer speak for him.

The concrete, 29-foot cross has stood on its La Jolla hill since 1954,though the first cross was built there in 1913.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: aclu; antichristianbias; athiest; cross; gordonthompson; intolerantatheists; intolerantliberals; jamesmcelroy; mountsoledad; mtsoledad; philippaulson; publicsquare; religion; ruling; sandiego; soledad; soledadcross
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1 posted on 05/03/2006 1:37:32 PM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

I think the people of San Diego should remove the liberal judge.


2 posted on 05/03/2006 1:39:28 PM PDT by immigration lady (defeat is only momentary)
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To: immigration lady

We need to further define the separation of chuch and state.


3 posted on 05/03/2006 1:40:57 PM PDT by John Geyer
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To: radar101

When will San Diego be changing the name to Diego?


4 posted on 05/03/2006 1:41:00 PM PDT by weegee ("Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays")
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To: radar101

Gordon Thompson is a Nixon appointee.


5 posted on 05/03/2006 1:41:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: radar101

I hope the legal action can continue and eventually go to the Supreme Court. With Alito and Roberts now there, there is probably a 5 to 4 majority there which would allow the cross to stay.


6 posted on 05/03/2006 1:41:43 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: radar101

San Diego means Saint James. That's who it's named after. Screw the ACLU. Damn athiest commies


7 posted on 05/03/2006 1:42:20 PM PDT by dennisw (http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

We need to either further define the separation of church and state or eliminate it.


8 posted on 05/03/2006 1:43:00 PM PDT by John Geyer
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To: weegee

good one


9 posted on 05/03/2006 1:43:12 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: radar101

WOW!

What a beautiful cross......


10 posted on 05/03/2006 1:43:32 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (DemonRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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To: radar101

75% of San Diego voters approved of transferring the cross and the land, but another pig of a judge said that was unconstitutional.

Here's the earlier article on that:

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/site/pp.asp?c=euLTJbMUKvH&b=1101195


11 posted on 05/03/2006 1:43:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

How can this judge say that he will fine the city $5000 a day???? How can he do that before all legal appeals are exhausted???? This can go to the Supreme Court, don't know if it will, but it can still go through the federal courts and up to the top.


12 posted on 05/03/2006 1:46:13 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: radar101

They should just attach a couple pieces of rubber doggie-doo to the base and call it art.


13 posted on 05/03/2006 1:47:10 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: radar101

Crucify the judge?


14 posted on 05/03/2006 1:48:46 PM PDT by Loud Mime (War is humanity's way of dealing with the tyranny caused by liberalism)
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To: radar101

Does anyone know if there is any private land close to this location? If so we could buy it and build a cross twice this size on private land. If the current cross is ever taken down, we could place a memorial plaque that states "this is where the United States became godless".


15 posted on 05/03/2006 1:48:49 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: eeevil conservative
What nobody seems to express or realize is that this is a War Memorial. There are HUNDREDS of 12X12 plaques around the bottom...... ....... To see ALL the names, go to: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.soledadmemorial.com/images/aboutimage_02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.soledadmemorial.com/memorial.html&h=81&w=179&sz=24&tbnid=djr32grKZF3sdM:&tbnh=42&tbnw=95&hl=en&start=8&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSoledad%2BWar%2BMemorial%252BSan%2BDiego%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
16 posted on 05/03/2006 1:50:53 PM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: radar101

Roger Hedgecock will be very happy about this - - it will give him something to complain about again!


17 posted on 05/03/2006 1:52:12 PM PDT by Vladiator
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To: radar101

WOW!

I did not know that!

What a crying shame....

insane to try and take it down... INSANE!


18 posted on 05/03/2006 1:52:27 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (DemonRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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To: radar101

Separation of Judge from Brain


19 posted on 05/03/2006 1:54:02 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

What don't they challenge him to try and enforce his decision?
And kill him (in self defense) when he tries.


20 posted on 05/03/2006 1:54:05 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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