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Gung-ho US Troops Urged To Be More British
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-3-2006 | Francis Harris

Posted on 05/02/2006 5:38:04 PM PDT by blam

Gung-ho US troops urged to be more British

By Francis Harris in Washington
(Filed: 03/05/2006)

A senior American general has ordered his troops to reduce the lethal force used against Iraqis, citing fears that trigger-happy behaviour is aggravating the insurgency.

Lt Gen Peter Chiarelli, who commands operations for the 132,000 American soldiers in the country, told his men to display more sensitivity and reach for their guns less often.

"We risk the chance of creating an insurgent, of creating somebody who gets so disgusted. . . that they get off the fence and go to the wrong side," he told the New York Times. "That has probably happened in many instances."

Gen Chiarelli is known as an apostle of the British approach to counter-insurgency warfare that is increasingly favoured by many in America's military.

On a previous tour in Iraq, he worked to win Iraqi hearts in Baghdad through involvement in projects such as the provision of water.

American troops in the most violent areas of Iraq face regular attack by suicide bombers and gunmen. Iraqis have complained that the Americans are too willing to open fire first and ask questions later.

Now the troops have been told to use lethal force as a last resort. They are being issued with new equipment, including the wider use of the bright flashing lights of stroboscopes at night to warn Iraqi divers (drivers?) of an approaching checkpoint. Troops will also use warning signs in Arabic rather than warning shots.

In a further attempt to aid troops and reduce Iraqi casualties, intelligence officers have identified signs in the behaviour of suicide bombers and other assailants. A list will be issued to combat troops patrolling towns and cities.

The general said: "What we are asking people to do is think through and talk through with soldiers. . . and ask, 'When should you apply deadly force?' "

To underline his point, Gen Chiarelli sent his subordinate commanders articles from British newspapers criticising the sometimes tough tactics used by American soldiers at roadblocks and when driving in convoy.

"I don't think it hurts us at all to take a look at it. . . It falls in line with what I am trying to do in urging a higher level of understanding and cultural sensitivity."

But some American officers have criticised the new approach, saying that it could create more casualties among their men.

More than 2,400 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq as well as an estimated 39,000 Iraqis. One officer told the New York Times: "The restrained approach, as it is manifesting itself on the ground, is beginning to handcuff our soldiers."

British officers have told their men to use a softer approach with Iraqis. Troops are encouraged to use the traditional Arab greetings and spurn sunglasses, which prevent eye contact.


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To: Lancey Howard

A-men.

Clown is on the mark.


21 posted on 05/02/2006 6:23:45 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: blam

"Gen Chiarelli sent articles(to subordinates)from British newspapers criticising the sometimes tough tactics used by American soldiers..."Generals like Chiarelli get American soldiers killed.This guy needs to get the boot.


22 posted on 05/02/2006 6:27:07 PM PDT by Thombo2
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To: blam
I see the "don't ask, don't tell" policy has made it up the chain of command.

The politically correct people are in charge now, thanks Bush.
23 posted on 05/02/2006 6:28:26 PM PDT by liliesgrandpa (The Republican Party simply can't do anything without that critical 100-seat Senate majority.)
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To: Lost Humanist

I've read lots of stories about how our troops are building relationships with the locals and getting results. I'm a BIT put off by the "English" way and the "Wrong" way tone of the article.


24 posted on 05/02/2006 6:29:28 PM PDT by geopyg ("I would rather have a clean gov't than one where -quote- 1st Amend. rights are respected." J.McCain)
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To: D-Chivas

"I read the news today, oh boy
The English Army had just won the war..."

Lennon-McCartney: Historians they weren't.........


25 posted on 05/02/2006 6:31:40 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: blam

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


26 posted on 05/02/2006 6:33:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Karl Rand
Maybe they should learn to speak Arabic too.

According to post # 16, the General does not speak Arabic either.

27 posted on 05/02/2006 6:38:42 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Covenantor
EDUCATIONAL DEGREES Seattle University - BS - Political Science

There's where he went wrong.

28 posted on 05/02/2006 6:40:29 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: blam

If that's going to be their orders...then bring them home. Their job is finished.


29 posted on 05/02/2006 6:45:49 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: geopyg

I wasn't trying to say there is a 'right' way or a 'wrong' way. Both approaches are valid, but in different context of military conflict.
The US no doubt is about as close to 100% as you can get for the prosecution of War.
The British approach is better suited to a kind of policing operation, once 'major combat operations' are over and done with.
Its a trade off, but I would say a necessary one if we are to get the Iraqi's on board as a nation. This is now a policing role, where 'force' really must be used as a last resort. The faster the Iraqis are on board in heart and mind, then the faster all of our boys and girls can come home. It will save lives, on all sides, in the long run.
Look how long it took the UK army to get over the 'Bloody Sunday' massacre. That was a perfect recruiting tool for the IRA, and we learned that such acts are in the end counter-productive.


30 posted on 05/02/2006 6:46:41 PM PDT by Lost Humanist
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To: blam
Gung-ho US troops urged to be more British

I say, Zarqawi old chap, how about a spot of tea?

31 posted on 05/02/2006 6:47:02 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: lowbridge

Wouldn't work. The Arabs dont take milk in thir tea...


32 posted on 05/02/2006 6:49:33 PM PDT by Lost Humanist
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To: Covenantor

i see someone has access to GOMO.........


33 posted on 05/02/2006 6:49:39 PM PDT by red devil 40
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To: Lost Humanist

-- I wasn't trying to say there is a 'right' way or a 'wrong' way. Both approaches are valid, but in different context of military conflict.---

Totally agree. I was meaning the tone of the original article from the UK - with its "superior" attitude. And while I'm sure we've learned a lot from them on "policing" issues, I think we learned lots of lessons on our own as well.

What is the quote for the Marines? Something like "No better friend, no worse enemy"?


34 posted on 05/02/2006 6:52:02 PM PDT by geopyg ("I would rather have a clean gov't than one where -quote- 1st Amend. rights are respected." J.McCain)
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To: blam
British tactics have enabled Muqtar Sadr to set up a massive militia financed by Iran in the Basra area.

The same British tactics the author espouses were wasted on 30 yrs of warfare against the IRA, despite having a spy in every meeting of the IRA general council.One missile could have saved hundreds of lives.

The British military way, I am sad to say,has turned into the way of the pussy....I know I served for 24yrs in the organization.

Most folks do not know that British NCO's carry upto 18 colored cards. Which they have to refer too when confronted by an incident.

Each card lays out the details of :- use of armed response(yellow card), use of non lethal weapons (pink card),use of CS gas(white card),powers of arrest(blue card),vehicle control(green card),use of an ATGW(red and white card),use of a SAW,etc, etc.

Remember folks, the 20 yr old kid in charge of a "Brick" (four man patrol) who is taking incoming fire HAS to respond within the constraints imposed on him/her by the attorneys and set in stone on those cards.

Thomas Atkins deserves far better leadership than the current sad generalship.

Thank God American Generals are not falling for this crap.
35 posted on 05/02/2006 7:02:42 PM PDT by managusta ("Where would we be without rules? That's right France!")
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To: geopyg

The original article? Yeah, our press can be a bit like that. You just have to syphon out the buls**t and extrapolate the facts.
US much better at policing than at the start of the war. You cant change an army operating system over a few years, it takes decades. Promising signs.


36 posted on 05/02/2006 7:03:13 PM PDT by Lost Humanist
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To: managusta

"The same British tactics the author espouses were wasted on 30 yrs of warfare against the IRA, despite having a spy in every meeting of the IRA general council.One missile could have saved hundreds of lives."
And make a bunch of Marxist devils into martyrs that creates a thousand new IRA terrorist at the outrage of the incident, and we would still be cleaning up the mess to this day. Instead, they are locked in political discourse where they cant do any more harm. It might not be flash, but its effective.


37 posted on 05/02/2006 7:06:34 PM PDT by Lost Humanist
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To: blam
Note to Donald Rumsfeld -

Relieve this PC drone of his command immediately.

38 posted on 05/02/2006 7:41:55 PM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: Lost Humanist
The Arabs dont take milk in thir tea...

What? No milk in their tea? Who do those heathen barbarians think they are? Yankee Americans?

39 posted on 05/02/2006 7:44:48 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: null and void

Not. No commander should expose his men to unnecessary risk. The Brits have not had to deal with Sunnis very much. Furthermore, commanders should use some common sense. Never send patrols out in a predictable way. For guys in the 4th got killed because their commander used bad judgement.


40 posted on 05/02/2006 7:47:42 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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