Posted on 05/02/2006 1:10:54 PM PDT by meandog
New York, N.Y. – In her new memoir, NOW IT'S MY TURN(Simon & Schuster/Threshold Editions, 2006), Mary Cheney writes that when she told her parents she was gay, the first words out of her father’s mouth “were exactly the ones that I wanted to hear: ‘You’re my daughter, and I love you, and I just want you to be happy.’”
VANITY FAIR editor Todd Purdum reports that Mary Cheney tells her story in a voice very much like her father’s, and that she came out to her parents when she was a junior in high school, on a day when, after breaking up with her first girlfriend, she skipped school, ran a red light, and crashed the family car. Cheney writes that her mother hugged her, but then burst into tears, worried that she would face a life of pain and prejudice.
When Purdum asks the vice president whether he thinks gay people are born that way, Cheney scrunches up his mouth, fixes him with a look that says “Nice try,” then says: “I’m not going to get into that. Those are deeply personal questions. You can ask.”
Mary Cheney tells Purdum that her father “has very little tolerance for bullshit, pardon my French.” She also says that one common reaction from people who have read the manuscript of her book is “‘Wow, you guys really have this close-knit, loving family,’ and it always strikes me as ‘Yeah, of course we do.’ It was very surprising to me that people would think we didn’t.”
When Purdum asks Cheney if he is fatalistic about his heart disease, Cheney says, “I am. I don’t even think about it most of the time. You do those things a prudent man would do, and I live with it.” Asked what he would have for breakfast at Nora’s Fish Creek Inn, his favorite pre-fishing spot in Wilson, Wyoming, Cheney responds without missing a beat: “I’d probably have two eggs over easy, sausage and hash browns,” then hastens to add that that is not his normal breakfast. “The day I go fishing, I get off my diet,” he says.” At a roundtable lunch with reporters a couple of years ago, two who were present tell Purdum that Cheney cut his buffalo steak in bite-size pieces the moment it arrived, then proceeded to salt each side of each piece.
Cheney tells Purdum that he has not changed over the years, but perhaps many of his contemporaries think he has “because of my associations over the years, or because I came across as a reasonable guy, people have one view of me that was not necessarily an accurate reflection of my philosophy or my view of the world.”
Purdum asks Cheney if, during his “darkest night,” he has even “a little doubt” about the administration’s course. “No,” he tells Purdum. “I think we’ve done what needed to be done.” Of the debate over whether or not the administration hyped the pre-war intelligence, Cheney says, “In the end, you can argue about the quality of the intelligence and so forth, but ... I look at that whole spectrum of possibilities and options, and I think we did the right thing.”
Cheney rejects the caricature of him as the power behind the throne, insisting, “I think we have created a system that works for this president and for me, in terms of my ability to be able to contribute and participate in the process.” When Purdum says that the cartoon characterization of him must not be accurate, Cheney says, “My image might be better out there, this caricature you talk about might be avoided, if I spent more time as a public figure trying to improve my image, but that’s not why I’m here.”
Purdum reports that Cheney travels with a chemical-biological suit at all times. When he gave his friend Robin West and his twin children a ride to the White House a couple of years ago, West commented on the fact that Cheney’s motorcade varied its daily path. “And he said, ‘Yeah, we take different routes so that “The Jackal” can’t get me,’” West tells Purdum. “And then there was this big duffel bag in the middle of the backseat, and I said, ‘What’s that? It’s not very roomy in here.’ And [Cheney] said, ‘No, because it’s a chemical-biological suit,’ and he looked at it and said, ‘Robin, there’s only one. You lose.’”
Purdum talks with former New York Times reporter and former executive editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer, James Naughton, who asks of Cheney: “Does he acknowledge that he is not as pleasant as he used to be?” Naughton knew Cheney as a fellow prankster during the 1976 campaign, and all but sighs in search of an explanation as to why he is so different now. “I guess I would like to believe,” he says, “without any evidence to support it, that coming very close to death has somehow compelled him to act as though he only has so much breath and so much life, that he’s only got so much time to accomplish what he has to do. But the public figure is nothing like the private one that I remember.”
Gerald Ford tells Purdum: “He may have changed a bit, but that was required for the change of circumstances.” Ford, who will turn 93 in July, adds, “Times change, and people change as a result of that.”
“If you’re looking for a change from one point to another, being vice president is sui generis,” Lynne Cheney tells Purdum. “It’s not quite like any other job.”
The June issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York and L.A. on May 3 and nationally on May 9.
And man judges man.
Man equates himself to God.
God gets pissed at man.
Those who would post here and judge Cheney, his daughter, and other homosexuals are just as much sinners are those they condemn.
There is One true judge, and no one here is Him.
There are gay pride parades all over the place, not just in a few big cities. They are scenes of debaucery and public sex.
But that's not the main problem; indoctrination in thousands of schools is much more dangerous. That and the push to legalize same sex marriage, homosexual adoption and foster parenting. Another extremely dangerous goal of homosexual activists and their assistants is the creation of "hate crimes" laws (now everywhere) with the next step being promoted, "hate speech" laws, as in Canada.
Either you really don't know this (unlikely) or you think these benign or even laudatory.
The idea that God is all tolerant and nonjudgmental is more namby-pamby love and feel good talk.
When God is joyful He's infinitely joyful.
When God is angry He's infinitely angry.
And you'll lose your kids' college money because you are hoping the market goes down and all those greedy investors will lose their money too.
Too much negativity, Bear. How about some positivity?
God is also judgemment.
As far as God not being able to see sin, that's false.
It's not. Even Jesus felt God turn His face away. Why would Jesus have cried out such a thing? Are you calling Jesus a liar?
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me.
Also see Rev 21:6 - 8
He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolators and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
And stop interpreting Scripture. You're wrong on both counts.
Since I quit working in 1999 my IRA is up about 250% and that is in a prudent bear fund.
Which is why John 3:16 and following verses so eloquently state that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him (note the operative word: believes) shall not perish but have eternal life. God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him (note that word believes again) is not condemned (again note that this is not all inclusive, it is conditional...) but whoever does not believe (interesting how Jesus keeps saying that what you believe or don't believe is important...) stands comdemned (care to parse that word??? Maybe Jesus meant something else???) already because he has not believed (there's that pesky word again...) in the name of God's one and only Son...
So where do you stand? After all, John 14:6 is an exclusive statement...
Conquered it?
Your post suggests God has merely learned to live with it.
Well, He does live with sin, doesn't He?
I believe that might have been Jesus Christ, and not an FR poster.
"He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me."
Now while that's not an explicit command to action in and of itself, the action of casting out the sinner is easily more Scripturally defensible than ignoring the sin.
Those presuming on the love of Christ should read the seven letters to the seven churches that open the book of The Revelation with the understanding that these are epistiles dictated to St. John DIRECTLY from the mouth of Jesus Christ.
Investigating the historical fate of those Churches should prove very illuminating.
Are you greater than St. Paul?
We have a persons fruits to see. Continuing in a immoral lifestyle is rotten fruit. Continuing any sin when a person knows it's wrong is rotten fruit and it can't be hidden.
Read Galatians 5: 16-26
Gal 5: 19-21 says: The acts of a sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatry and withcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like. I warn you as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Why should we be concerned about the sins of someone who isn't a follower of God? Would Mary Cheney be somehow more Christlike if she was a straight unbeliever than if she was a homosexual one? Isn't worrying about her sexuality like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic? We should be worried about her soul, not her sinfullness. One doesn't come to Jesus by quitting sin. One quits sin by coming to Jesus.
I'll ask again - do you consider homosexuals and sinners to be "your" enemy?
I would hope my reaction would be the same as if a child admitted to be cohabiting with a lover...
In either case I hope I'd have the loving guts to say:
"You'll always be my daughter (or son) and I'll always love you, but your lifestyle is a sin. Don't expect help from me to continue in your sin...if you want to change, then I'll be more than happy to try to help with that too."
"You won't bring your lover into my house, you won't bring them to any family functions, and you will never have my blessing in your lifestyle."
Homosexual behavior is a dead end--not only for an unhappy life now, but a very unhappy one for eternity.
Also, I'm not sure we know the whole story of Alan Keyes. If a kid comes and says, "I'm a homosexual, accept that that's how I'll always be, and you're a bigot if you don't approve!" I'm afraid conscience would force me to separate myself from them too... I don't know what happened with Keyes and his daughter (son?), but that's his business.
The bible teaches that when a Christian is incorrigible in sin, Christians are to separate from any fellowship with them--and this includes their families.
Incorrigible is the key, as everyone struggles with sin, but those who refuse to struggle at all, and give in--after being repeatedly confronted with the sin, have no place in the fellowship believers.
Homosexuals who are activly persuing homosexual relationships...not simply those who struggle with that temptation...should be treated exactly like others running after other sinful patterns. There is a time for love and acceptance, there is also a time in love, for discipline.
Adulterers are sinners too. Greedy people are sinners. Covetous people are sinners. People who use God's name in vain are sinners. People who don't remember the Sabbath and keep it holy are sinners. In fact, we all are sinners.
So what exactly is your point?
Why do you so dislike Scripture quotation? The devil can quote Scripture, but improperly. To follow the Lord's example would be to correct the misquotation, not to reject the use of Scripture.
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