Posted on 05/02/2006 1:10:54 PM PDT by meandog
And man judges man.
Man equates himself to God.
God gets pissed at man.
Those who would post here and judge Cheney, his daughter, and other homosexuals are just as much sinners are those they condemn.
There is One true judge, and no one here is Him.
There are gay pride parades all over the place, not just in a few big cities. They are scenes of debaucery and public sex.
But that's not the main problem; indoctrination in thousands of schools is much more dangerous. That and the push to legalize same sex marriage, homosexual adoption and foster parenting. Another extremely dangerous goal of homosexual activists and their assistants is the creation of "hate crimes" laws (now everywhere) with the next step being promoted, "hate speech" laws, as in Canada.
Either you really don't know this (unlikely) or you think these benign or even laudatory.
The idea that God is all tolerant and nonjudgmental is more namby-pamby love and feel good talk.
When God is joyful He's infinitely joyful.
When God is angry He's infinitely angry.
And you'll lose your kids' college money because you are hoping the market goes down and all those greedy investors will lose their money too.
Too much negativity, Bear. How about some positivity?
God is also judgemment.
As far as God not being able to see sin, that's false.
It's not. Even Jesus felt God turn His face away. Why would Jesus have cried out such a thing? Are you calling Jesus a liar?
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me.
Also see Rev 21:6 - 8
He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolators and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
And stop interpreting Scripture. You're wrong on both counts.
Since I quit working in 1999 my IRA is up about 250% and that is in a prudent bear fund.
Which is why John 3:16 and following verses so eloquently state that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him (note the operative word: believes) shall not perish but have eternal life. God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him (note that word believes again) is not condemned (again note that this is not all inclusive, it is conditional...) but whoever does not believe (interesting how Jesus keeps saying that what you believe or don't believe is important...) stands comdemned (care to parse that word??? Maybe Jesus meant something else???) already because he has not believed (there's that pesky word again...) in the name of God's one and only Son...
So where do you stand? After all, John 14:6 is an exclusive statement...
Conquered it?
Your post suggests God has merely learned to live with it.
Well, He does live with sin, doesn't He?
I believe that might have been Jesus Christ, and not an FR poster.
"He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me."
Now while that's not an explicit command to action in and of itself, the action of casting out the sinner is easily more Scripturally defensible than ignoring the sin.
Those presuming on the love of Christ should read the seven letters to the seven churches that open the book of The Revelation with the understanding that these are epistiles dictated to St. John DIRECTLY from the mouth of Jesus Christ.
Investigating the historical fate of those Churches should prove very illuminating.
Are you greater than St. Paul?
We have a persons fruits to see. Continuing in a immoral lifestyle is rotten fruit. Continuing any sin when a person knows it's wrong is rotten fruit and it can't be hidden.
Read Galatians 5: 16-26
Gal 5: 19-21 says: The acts of a sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatry and withcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like. I warn you as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Why should we be concerned about the sins of someone who isn't a follower of God? Would Mary Cheney be somehow more Christlike if she was a straight unbeliever than if she was a homosexual one? Isn't worrying about her sexuality like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic? We should be worried about her soul, not her sinfullness. One doesn't come to Jesus by quitting sin. One quits sin by coming to Jesus.
I'll ask again - do you consider homosexuals and sinners to be "your" enemy?
I would hope my reaction would be the same as if a child admitted to be cohabiting with a lover...
In either case I hope I'd have the loving guts to say:
"You'll always be my daughter (or son) and I'll always love you, but your lifestyle is a sin. Don't expect help from me to continue in your sin...if you want to change, then I'll be more than happy to try to help with that too."
"You won't bring your lover into my house, you won't bring them to any family functions, and you will never have my blessing in your lifestyle."
Homosexual behavior is a dead end--not only for an unhappy life now, but a very unhappy one for eternity.
Also, I'm not sure we know the whole story of Alan Keyes. If a kid comes and says, "I'm a homosexual, accept that that's how I'll always be, and you're a bigot if you don't approve!" I'm afraid conscience would force me to separate myself from them too... I don't know what happened with Keyes and his daughter (son?), but that's his business.
The bible teaches that when a Christian is incorrigible in sin, Christians are to separate from any fellowship with them--and this includes their families.
Incorrigible is the key, as everyone struggles with sin, but those who refuse to struggle at all, and give in--after being repeatedly confronted with the sin, have no place in the fellowship believers.
Homosexuals who are activly persuing homosexual relationships...not simply those who struggle with that temptation...should be treated exactly like others running after other sinful patterns. There is a time for love and acceptance, there is also a time in love, for discipline.
Adulterers are sinners too. Greedy people are sinners. Covetous people are sinners. People who use God's name in vain are sinners. People who don't remember the Sabbath and keep it holy are sinners. In fact, we all are sinners.
So what exactly is your point?
Why do you so dislike Scripture quotation? The devil can quote Scripture, but improperly. To follow the Lord's example would be to correct the misquotation, not to reject the use of Scripture.
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