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Giuliani Shows a Candidate's Mettle to Republicans in Iowa
NY Times ^ | 5/2/6 | Patrick Healy

Posted on 05/02/2006 9:42:32 AM PDT by Crackingham

Former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani said on Monday that he was seriously exploring whether he has "a chance" of winning the presidency in 2008, as he visited politically important Iowa and huddled with state advisers, donors to President Bush and other prominent Republicans. While Mr. Giuliani was officially in Iowa to attend two Republican fund-raisers, his behavior and remarks came close to politicking for himself. He ruminated openly about running, disclosed he was not sure what he would do if his friend John McCain also ran, and argued that if Republicans are to be a majority party, they need to accept politicians like himself who support abortion rights, gay rights and gun control.

"I've got a lot of places to go and a lot of people to talk to and a long process of figuring out whether it makes sense to run for president in 2008," Mr. Giuliani said before speaking at a daytime fund-raiser in Des Moines for a Republican congressional candidate. "I don't know the answer to that yet."

He added: "My effort this year will be to help Republicans get elected, and then, quite honestly, as part of it, saying to myself, does it look like I have a chance in 2008? And make that decision after the 2006 election."

At a fund-raiser in Davenport on Monday night, Mr. Giuliani offered a stout defense of President Bush's leadership, arguing that the economy was growing and that Mr. Bush would go down in history as "a great president."

"I don't know what we're all so upset about," he said, referring to concerns about the economy and rising costs, such as gas prices.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: Liz

OK... : )


141 posted on 05/02/2006 7:54:28 PM PDT by The Mayor ( We are moving in on Albany! http://www.newyorkcoalition.org)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Rudy won't let the media browbeat him. He is in charge and macho. That's what we need in the next parts of the war against islamic terrorism.


142 posted on 05/02/2006 8:01:46 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: EternalVigilance

You know, it doesn't matter how many times I address your claim, you're not going to understand my response, so I am not gonna waste my breath on you anymore. I feel like I am talking to a wall.


143 posted on 05/02/2006 8:18:38 PM PDT by P8riot
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

When all of Rudy's skeletons begin to fall out of the closet he won't make it past the third primary.


144 posted on 05/02/2006 8:28:32 PM PDT by no dems (A Winning Campaign Theme for a Conservative in '08: "PUTTING AMERICA FIRST")
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To: P8riot; Gelato; Broadside; Waywardson; Taxman; Ladycalif

In other words, you don't want to address the fact that Senator Allen supported the "Assault Weapons Ban" when he thought it was the politically profitable thing to do.

Since you're the expert that the other poster called in to speak for the Senator's positions, maybe you can address a couple other major concerns of mine:

What's with this crazy "life begins at brainwaves" position? Is it true, as one organization's responses to their questionaire from the Senator would lead us to believe, that the Senator supports abortion up until "viability" (in other words 98% of the abortions that are committed now)? Does he REALLY support aborting babes in the womb if they have "fetal abnormalities"?

And does he really believe that a "virtual fence" is going to slow down the flood of illegal aliens coming through our southern border?

Is he going to support a "guest worker" program or not?

Tell me why we shouldn't be suspicious of his immigration stances since he hired Ed Gillespie, the leading Open Borders lobbyist in Washington, DC as his top money man, and since his rhetoric almost exactly mirrors the rhetoric that we've gotten all along from this White House?

One last question: Since these are all obviously positions that the Senator takes, do you, as a conservative, agree with him on them?

Just curious....


145 posted on 05/02/2006 8:34:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: P8riot

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1625695/posts?page=87#87


Pro-Illegal Alien Incumbents Swept Out of Office in Bellweather Election in Herndon, Virginia
Fairfax County, Va Board of Elections ^ | Tuesday, May 2, 2006 | Kristinn


Posted on 05/02/2006 8:45:49 PM CDT by kristinn


Voters in the town of Herndon, Virginia delivered a stunning rebuke today to elected officials who opened a taxpayer funded day labor center for illegal aliens in the town last year. Incumbent mayor Michael O'Reilly lost to Steven DeBenedittis while five of the six at-large town council seats went to candidates opposing the day labor center.


146 posted on 05/02/2006 8:37:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: P8riot

Hey, I just thought of another question.

Since the other poster called you in as an "expert witness" on Senator Allen's behalf, I think it's fair to ask if you're on his payroll?


147 posted on 05/02/2006 8:38:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Absolutely not.


148 posted on 05/02/2006 8:57:50 PM PDT by P8riot
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To: P8riot

I've never had reason to encounter you on FR that I can remember, but you sound like a serious person.

Why don't you prove it by doing more than giving my concerns the back of your hand as you did in post #143.

You act like you've addressed my questions, but you haven't at all. Not one little bit.


149 posted on 05/02/2006 8:58:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: P8riot
Absolutely not.

Thank you. Perhaps you can understand why I would ask that question, considering how you were pinged to these subjects.

150 posted on 05/02/2006 8:59:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: P8riot

By the way, I think your FR homepage is great.


151 posted on 05/02/2006 9:00:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: P8riot
You know, it doesn't matter how many times I address your claim...

You didn't address 'my claim'. You listed the Senator's positives on guns. That's great, but wasn't responsive to my specific question at all.

...you're not going to understand my response...

Why? Do you think your intellect is superior to mine?

...so I am not gonna waste my breath on you anymore.

At the worst, that response is cowardly...at the best it's a copout.

...I feel like I am talking to a wall.

Why? I've been ready to engage you in conversation throughout. Another copout, I'm afraid...

152 posted on 05/02/2006 9:08:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Once again a topic no one wants to address.

Leaving abortion aside for one post..although Allen is a moderate---brain waves should be the cut off line for abortion...which I unlike EV I agree with Allen...but

What about Allen being a part of W's good Ol boy crew which orchestrated the largest expansion of government in our countries history? They have beaten out the far left in terms of expanding government and squandering tax payer money.

What you have is a mini W. An inarticulate, social moderate/fiscal liberal, republican insider.

Right now that is worth 33% of the electorate.

He might be a good guy but we can't afford the next POTUS's main qualification is being a "good guy". Real leaders take it to there enemies and even to their friends to accomplish the hard things that need to be done. Thats why I like Rudy. And as EV say's he will make his choice on his own time. I may differ but I respect what he is fighting for ...a real Social conservative.

What I want is some one who has the guts to take down K Street, tackle entitlements and bring this behemoth Federal budget to it's knees....Like Rudy took down the mob..kicked Arafat on his ass,,, told that Saudi to stuff 12 mill up his...tried to cut off fed funds for the endowment of the arts for paying for Maddana covered with dung. Guts and leadership.
153 posted on 05/02/2006 9:18:24 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish
Leaving abortion aside for one post..although Allen is a moderate---brain waves should be the cut off line for abortion...which I unlike EV I agree with Allen...but

There's nothing 'moderate' about an abortion. Any abortion.

What about Allen being a part of W's good Ol boy crew which orchestrated the largest expansion of government in our countries history? They have beaten out the far left in terms of expanding government and squandering tax payer money.

I like "good old boys" if they're the real deal and not just political drug store cowboys. But your points about spending are certainly on the mark.

What you have is a mini W. An inarticulate, social moderate/fiscal liberal, republican insider.

Bush redux, I call it.

What I want is some one who has the guts to take down K Street, tackle entitlements and bring this behemoth Federal budget to it's knees....Like Rudy took down the mob..kicked Arafat on his ass,,, told that Saudi to stuff 12 mill up his...tried to cut off fed funds for the endowment of the arts for paying for Maddana covered with dung. Guts and leadership.

Sorry man. You're kidding yourself if you think any moderate to liberal Republican is ever gonna do that stuff. I've seen it time and again. They talk tough, but when push comes to shove, they're just as liberal on fiscal matters as on anything else. Think Christie Todd Whitman.

154 posted on 05/02/2006 9:28:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Excellent post.

Still waiting for a reply?

*crickets*

155 posted on 05/03/2006 12:53:39 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato

Yeah.

'Fraid I'll be waiting 'til iceskating season in Hades.


156 posted on 05/03/2006 12:56:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance
LOL! I suppose you didn't realize that since we are on opposite coasts that you can perhaps wait three hours longer than me. I sent you that one parting post last night then went to bed.

Corin, pinged me to answer some questions concerning Allen's position on the 2nd Amendment and I posted some information that I thought was relevant to the issue. I am not prepared to discuss his positions on abortion and immigration, other than to state that in the 10 plus years that I have known him, he has impressed me as being genuinely pro-life, and though I am not crazy about the "virtual fence" statement, feel that he is more in line with Tom Tancredo, than George Bush on immigration.

157 posted on 05/03/2006 3:41:30 AM PDT by P8riot
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To: P8riot; EternalVigilance

FWIW P8riot, EV wouldn't be happy if the Apostle Paul was on the ballot.

ALL of these issues have been explained to him over and over. He just won't listen.

I just got off the phone with a friend who is ~very~ close to the Allen camp (and has been for years). I told her some of the things folks like EV have been saying.

She was a baffled as I.


158 posted on 05/03/2006 6:20:58 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

That was my initial point to him as well. Must be a "left coast" thing.


159 posted on 05/03/2006 7:09:10 AM PDT by P8riot
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To: Corin Stormhands; p8triot

There is no need for you, or your friend, to be baffled.

I've raised legitimate questions about Senator Allen's positions on some of the most important items on our national agenda.

You've given me nothing in response but arrogant brushoffs.


160 posted on 05/03/2006 9:13:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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