CIA's Castra Praetoria [CIA liberal treason alert]

American Spectator ^ | 5/1/06 | Jed Babbin

[Edgerunner]

1 = What has this to do with treason?
2 = yes
3 = yes
4 = to the king, yes
5 = no, just French (which is worse?) boy are you confused!
6 = to their country YES.

If someone reveals secrets of their country, no matter their personal feelings about the legality of the secrets, they are committing treason.

[Candor7]

The CIA demodimwit 5th column is a threat to our Republic. It is unlikely to be reformed, and so it should be disbanded. Fire them all and start over.

They will turn the USA iunto a banana republic in which coupes will be necessary to change governments, rather than a free election.

The CIA's greatest sin is that it disrespects the will of the people and connives against the will of the people.There is no place for such bureaucratic conduct in a democratic republic.

[rakovsky]

Edgerunner,

1)The Benton "copperheads" and their Fishing Creek COnfederacy are part of local history. A "copperhead" was the name for a southern sympathizer in the north. Anyway, mostly people in the area don't talk about their "copperhead" heritage, although they think they were right. I think it was treason, but they might have some strong arguments to the contrary, which I would like to hear.

Northerners in other areas sporting confederate bandanas do it a a fashion statement, not because they sympathize with the confederacy. Since the confederacy always fought the United States, the confederate flag is anti-union.

However, Japan was only at war with the US during a certain time period, so its flag is not necessarily anti-American. So a confederate flag is more anti-american than a Japanese one. Would you agree with that analysis?

2) I think so too, but maybe there is another way to look at it.

3&4) If the founding fathers ONLY betrayed their king, but not their country, could it be said that the southerners betrayed their president, but not their country?

5)"no, just French (which is worse?) boy are you confused!"
I meant if a group of French intelligence officers gave secrets to US intelligence without telling their president.

In other words, Edgerunner, you feel that there is such a thing as "good treason."


Candor,
"The CIA's greatest sin is that it disrespects the will of the people and connives against the will of the people.There is no place for such bureaucratic conduct in a democratic republic." I think that there is something dangerous to democracy in extensive surveillance of its citizens by secret services. Government surveillance and wiretapping expanded significantly AFTER the cold war, during FISA, and under Clinton. What is going on now is an accelaration of something started in the post-cold war era.
If the government got through the cold war without extensive surveillance, why did it have to multiply under FISA in the 90's? Why is all this necessary even with terrorism? Protecting democracy at the expense of freedoms? I don't think so.