The Praetorian Guard is most famous for loyalty to the Emperor, whereas the CIA group is disloyal to our President. 
Castra Praetoria
Posted on 05/01/2006 10:29:42 AM PDT by Enchante
The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column. CIA is a VIPER'S NEST......Goss has a Herculean task ahead of him!! GO PORTER GO!!
The CIA problem originated a long time before Clinton appeared. They were soft on communism and are soft on today's enemies. The CIA needs to be cleaned of this poison or replaced by a more loyal government entity.
Sadly, as we understand. The L/MSM will keep things under wraps as best as possible and continue to throw one liners in that confuse the masses. Mind control comes to mind.
Perhaps, but I use the term "useful idiot" because Johnson as a retired State Dept. twerp and McCarthy (who may have been counting on quietly slipping into retirement) are doing the handiwork of those within the CIA who want power over our foreign policy....without accountability.
I noticed that, when the Czechs revealed that Atta had met with Iraqi intel, the CIA leaked a denial within about 30 minutes. When the Czech reiterated their story, CIA "leaked" another rebuttal almost immediately. The Czech president reasserted the story, and CIA repeated their denial.
Except if you dig into their denial, all you get is this:
We weren't there, so we can't confirm it.
If you read the headlines, you see CIA denying the story. If you read closely, you see CIA actually denying nothing at all, since as they admit, they weren't there. And yet they were determined to kill the story.
Lets look at another case.
During the invasion, several times we came across stockpiles of nerve agent. In one case, we found a chemical plant producing the stuff, which was commanded by an Iraqi general and protected by troops, concertina wire, gun towers. After a couple of days, the story was "corrected" and we were told that it was just agricultural pesiticide.
Several times barrels of the stuff were found in military ammo dumps, if I remember correctly in one case the press actually got sick from it. Later, no, its not nerve agent, its just ag pesticide.
Except that there is no difference. If you spread it on your fields, its pesticide. If you spread it on advancing armies, its nerve agent.
My question then as now was, why the determined zeal to dismiss this, and who was behind it? I read it as a rebellion within the ranks of our intel people. Similar to the Atta story, and similar to the Niger story, which was and is factually true, but which CIA conspired to kill the story.
Excellent points, one and all!! What has to be further unravelled is exactly how this disinformation campaign has been conducted from within the CIA (and with helpful ex-agency and ex-State, military, etc. like VIPS and Larry Johnson, etc.).
Talk about "cherry-picking" intel, these leftist frauds are constantly jumping on any select item that might (usually when distorted) allow them to pretend Saddam was no threat, while ignoring everything that contradicts their pre-determined position.
I think we need to bring back public hangings for such traitors, I'm quite serious - we need both the finality of such a penalty and the public humiliation of it to try to deter scumbags from betraying their oath and their country.
Bump to Marron's post. Excellent questions.
Besides the liberals in the CIA and their hatred towards GW and his people, one of these days we will probably find out that many of them probably got blood money from the Opecker Thugs to protect Saddam.
MizS, your tagline is terrific.
"What if the CIA praetorians wanted to stop the CIA secret prisons program, but didn't want the leak coming from one of the few top people who knew all about it? Someone could, even anonymously, make a complaint to the IG's office about the legality of the program knowing McCarthy -- one of their own -- would be in a position to assemble all the scattered components, leak them, and then retire. Even if she were caught, those who made the complaint to set up the leak would be protected."
I actually think it is worse than this. I think the story was made up from whole cloth, just to give the CIA a black eye. (And to piggyback on the absurdly over inflated Abu Ghraib story.)
And, yes, Mary McCarthy was perfect person to either make up or embroider and then pass this bogus story on to her agents in our one party media.
Dana Priest of course would be wildly receptive. She loved Abu Ghraib and wanted more. It didn't matter to her whether it was true or not. Nor did it matter to her bosses or to the Pulitzer Prize Committee.
Plus she got to help her husband and his organization, which is a front for Castro's Cuba.
All in all it was a low risk, high return setup, all the way around. And McCarthy will even get to keep her pension.
Isn't treason great!
"Besides the liberals in the CIA and their hatred towards GW and his people, one of these days we will probably find out that many of them probably got blood money from the Opecker Thugs to protect Saddam."
It's almost a certainty that many of the people involved in these events are on somebody's payroll, very likely Castro's. But it could be a number of foreign governments.
As noted on this thread:
Mr Dana Priest-Goodfellow's Political Connections
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624225/posts?page=27#27
Dana Priest's husband, William Goodfellow, was partners with Orlando Letelier. Letelier was on the payroll of the East German secret police and Castro's secret police.
Treason pays.
From my files:
In Washington, the FBI moved to quiet the Prague connection by telling journalists that it had car rentals and records that put Atta in Virginia Beach, Va., and Florida close to, if not during, the period when he was supposed to be in Prague. The New York Times , citing information provided by "federal law enforcement officials," reported that Atta was in Virginia Beach on April 2, 2001, and by April 11, "Atta was back in Florida, renting a car."
All these reports attributed to the FBI were, as it turns out, erroneous. There were no car rental records in Virginia, Florida, or anywhere else in April 2001 for Mohamed Atta, since he had not yet obtained his Florida license.
His international license was at his father's home in Cairo, Egypt (where his roommate Marwan al-Shehhi picked it up in late April). Nor were there other records in the hands of the FBI that put Atta in the United States at the time. Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet testified to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in June 2002, "It is possible that Atta traveled under an unknown alias" to "meet with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague." Clearly, it was not beyond the capabilities of the 9/11 hijackers to use aliases.
The only dispute over Atta's whereabouts is whether he was in Prague on April 9, 2001, to meet with Samir al Ani, an Iraqi intelligence officer. Czech intelligence insists he was. Able Danger, apparently, had information supporting the Czechs.
Spanish police last February arrested Algerians Khaled Madani, 33, and Moussa Laour, 36, on suspicion of furnishing phony passports to, among others, al Qaeda operatives Ramzi Binalshibh and Mohamed Atta. According to a February 29 Associated Press dispatch, Binalshibh revealed Madani's identity to interrogators at the American military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Also info on Shakir at that link, which is another connection between 9/11 and Iraq.
January 4, 2001: Atta flies from Miami to Madrid, Spain.
January 10, 2001: Return flight from Madrid to Miami.
This was 4 months before he allegedly went to Prague. IMHO, this is when he picked up the fake passports, which he used to go to Prague.
Meanwhile, in a February 24 letter to James Beasley, Jr., the attorney in the aforementioned lawsuit, Czech U.N. Ambassador Hynek Kmonicek affirms an October 26, 2001 statement by Czech Interior Minister Stanislav Gross: "In this moment we can confirm, that during the next stay of Mr. Muhammad Atta in the Czech Republic there was the contact with the official of the Iraqi intelligence, Mr. Al Ani, Ahmed Khalin Ibrahim Samir, who was on 22nd April 2001 expelled from the Czech Republic on the basis of activities which were not compatible with the diplomatic status." Atta flew from Virginia Beach, Virginia to Prague on April 7, 2001. Car-rental records place him in the Czech capitol the next day. He flew home to Florida that April 9.
So they have car rental records as well.
9/11 was the perfect opportunity for this. If the administration tried to do it now, the Democrats and the media would scream about whistleblowers and payback.
So true - I thought in the days after 9/11 that we had at best a 3-6 month window to (1) launch drastic reform of the intel agencies; (2) convince the US public that defeating the terrorists was going to be a vastly larger job than simply overthrowing the Taliban (though that was the essential first step); and, (3) resolve that the terror-sponsor states such as Iran, Syria, et al would truly have to be crushed if they did not immediately surrender. I think the WH did as much as it thought it could in the face of a rabidly liberal-left, naive, and ignorant media and Demagogic Party, but we can see from the situation today how far short we are falling.
Is this treason? Can treason be ok if it is morally justified? Is it no longer treason?
1) The Benton area of Northeastern Pennsylvania is very conservative. During the Civil War they sympathized with the South, and received the name "Fishing Creek Confederacy." Some of them actually went and fought for the confederacy. One young person told me about his great grandfather's diary. The ancestor was a teenager who joined the confederate army and committed homosexual acts. After that point, they stopped reading the diary. Was this treason?
2) Were some southerners were executed as traitors? Were the southern confederates treasonous?
3) The British considered the American Founding Fathers treasonous. Were they?
4) Thomas Paine supported the French Revolution. Were the French Revolutionaries traitors?
5) If French Intelligence had information on Saddam's Iraq (or another country) and gave it to US intelligence without permission, is it treason?
6) If a citizen of a democratic Latin American country gives US intelligence secrets and there are hostile relations between the countries, is it treason?
Thank you.
You seem to love treason...Kinda new ain't ya troll?
Please answer the questions.
The Praetorian Guard is most famous for loyalty to the Emperor, whereas the CIA group is disloyal to our President.
Castra Praetoria
Rome's Praetorian Guards began as a small elite imperial guard that grew into a force unto themselves. Independent of the army and the Senate they were the emperor's own, and utterly loyal to him. Until they were not. Over three centuries, as their wealth and power increased, the scope of their loyalty shrank so that they were not even loyal among themselves. Their end came when they scrupled at nothing. They murdered emperors and anointed imperial successors and were finally disbanded for disloyalty.
Why don't YOU answer the questions and others can decide whether or not it's worth having a discussion with you. Where do you get off ordering other people to answer question you pose like a prosecutor? fwiw, I might have a lot to say on any or all of your questions, but I have no interest in doing so until I know whether you are a sincere and interesting person or merely some harassing troll. The jury is out - please answer the question!
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