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Spain destroys lost Roman city for a car park
The Sunday Times ^ | April 30, 2006 | Jon Clarke

Posted on 04/30/2006 4:38:05 PM PDT by gd124

THE archeologists could barely hide their excitement. Beneath the main square of Ecija, a small town in southern Spain, they had unearthed an astounding treasure trove of Roman history.

They discovered a well-preserved Roman forum, bath house, gymnasium and temple as well as dozens of private homes and hundreds of mosaics and statues — one of them considered to be among the finest found.

But now the bulldozers have moved in. The last vestiges of the lost city known as Colonia Augusta Firma Astigi — one of the great cities of the Roman world — have been destroyed to build an underground municipal car park.

Dr Sonia Zakrzewski, a senior lecturer in archeology at Southampton University who has worked on the site, said: “It is a real shock when things like this happen. I am surprised it has gone ahead. There is no doubt this site is of fundamental importance to archeology.”

Much of the site has been hurriedly concreted over: the only minor concession to archeologists and historians, is to leave a tiny section on show for tourists. The rest will be space for 299 cars.

The Roman city has proved to be one of the biggest in the ancient world. Its estimated 30,000 citizens dominated the olive oil industry. Terracotta urns from Ecija have been discovered as far away as Britain and Rome.

The region produced three Roman emperors — Trajan, Theodosius and Hadrian — and the research has shown that Ecija was almost as important in the Roman world as Cordoba and Seville.

The socialist council says that had it not dug up the main square, Plaza de Espana, to build the car park in 1998, the remains would never have been found. But it insists the town must press ahead with the new car park.

“Nonsense,” says the town’s chief archeologist, Antonio Fernandez Ugalde, director of the municipal museum. “For some reason, the politicians here think it is more important to park their own cars. It simply does not make sense.”

But despite opposition from numerous other archeological groups and the Spanish Royal Academy of Art, there is now no possibility of restoring the 2,000-year-old Roman town.

The most exquisite discovery was a statue, known as the Wounded Amazon, modelled on an ancient Greek goddess of war. Only three other such statues are known to exist. The one in Ecija is in by far the best condition with some of its original decorative paint intact.

Juan Wic, the mayor, who is responsible for the car park project, said he was happy to have kept one of his main election pledges. He said it was “essential for the commercial future of the square and city”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: ancient; ancientrome; archeology; augustafirmaastigi; boudica; britainbeforerome; ecija; godsgravesglyphs; iceni; romanempire; rome; spain
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To: mtbopfuyn

What the hell does that have to do with this thread


21 posted on 04/30/2006 4:59:27 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: gd124

Thats how it is Spain.

If you have never been there, then you will have no idea how it is run.

My mother was attacked, raped and left for dead there in her home, in a village called Competa in Andalucia in 1996, at the age of 80, by some local animal that had been let out of jail early for a previous murder.

What did the Police/Guardia do about it. Zip. Local 'developer' moved in and took her land for a pittance to built a set of 'fincas' for tourists to buy.

Yup, I really like the Spanish way of life.


22 posted on 04/30/2006 5:00:30 PM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: Mo1
What the hell does that have to do with this thread

Why nothing of course!

It appears to be a game to post an immigration statement on every thread on FR these days. About time someone did something to stop it

23 posted on 04/30/2006 5:02:42 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: America's Resolve
There are not all that many records of what the Romans were like, let alone actual physical artifacts.

Not to be contrary, but I believe that may be an overstatement. I believe there is abundant records of the Romans life in Italy as well as archaeological sites

If there is any value in the Spanish site , it would be how Roman culture impacted the Spanish culture.

It seems the Spanish politicians don't really care about what happened in the past.

24 posted on 04/30/2006 5:03:08 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: gd124

Not this means much, but I have several coins from different eras of the Roman Empire. Net value? About ten bucks.


25 posted on 04/30/2006 5:05:41 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: gd124
The rest will be space for 299 cars.

Well, cars do need parking spaces. And if you've gone to one ancient Roman, "museum" you really don't need to see more. I mean, what's with all of those pots and urns and stuff?! Sheesh. Must be a slow news day.

26 posted on 04/30/2006 5:06:29 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: gd124
it predated islam and therefore had to be destroyed.
27 posted on 04/30/2006 5:08:55 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
They pave paradise and put up a parking lot.

No, I think these were buried ruins.. not paradise.

It's have been nice if they had saved them though.

28 posted on 04/30/2006 5:09:44 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Popman
If there is any value in the Spanish site , it would be how Roman culture impacted the Spanish culture.

Apparently they aren't letting Roman culture impact the Spanish culture anymore.

29 posted on 04/30/2006 5:10:49 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: ordinaryguy
Apparently they aren't letting Roman culture impact the Spanish culture anymore.

Can you blame them?

30 posted on 04/30/2006 5:14:01 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: gd124

Let the muslims have spain. It is a nation of cowards and traitors.


31 posted on 04/30/2006 5:23:52 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: gd124
I don't know. This "socialist council" as they called it seems more akin to the Tali ban in their barbaric destruction of antiquities.
32 posted on 04/30/2006 5:38:26 PM PDT by isrul
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

"They pave paradise and put up a parking lot."

My first reaction was that song line too.
You dont know what you've got 'til its gone.


33 posted on 04/30/2006 5:42:44 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Popman

I think the key thing here is that it should have been fully excavated before the decision was made to trash it. I can understand the Mayor and CC not wanting an excavation in the town square for decades, but a realistic timeframe would probably have led to an economic bonanze in the area as well as giving us a chance to look for key info.

After all, think of how many of the key wars and intrigures started in or centred around SPain. Their records of Carthaginian contacts alone would be interesting since they had the most direct contacts (As major colonies) with them for a long time other than Sicily.

Bottom line is, if we excavate and it turns out to be a unique wonder of the ancient world, keep it.

If it isn't unique, retrieve everthing that can be grabbed, then pave it.

Sending the dozers in without proper excavation to ensure you get to park your cars faster is an act of wanton vandalism the Taliban would have admired.


34 posted on 04/30/2006 5:51:08 PM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Androcles

Exactly... let the archeologists do their work, THEN pave it over.

Or leave it as a tourist attraction and put up a parking garage somewhere else.


35 posted on 04/30/2006 6:01:43 PM PDT by montanus
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To: gd124
I guess local governments the same everywhere.

Yup. Just like Northern Virginia and Civil War battlefields. In any showdown between a strip mall and a battlefield, the mall will wins hands down. After all, there are some folks in Northern Virginia who still live more than 1/2 mile from a mall, so progress must be served.

36 posted on 04/30/2006 6:11:00 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: gd124

There is nothing more beautiful in this world than a parking lot. It speaks of efficiency, it tells that people are not willing to waste time on slow and inefficient self-transportation.


37 posted on 04/30/2006 6:12:12 PM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: Popman

"I find it sort of bizarre that people in 4,500 AD would find Tampa, Fl or any other city so interesting as to want to preserve it."

Made me think of this:

In Florida, workers discovered the remains of an ancient city while digging a canal between Lake Dora and Lake Eustis. The city exists far below sea level and was reported in Scientific American. Ref. 1, pp. 83­84


38 posted on 04/30/2006 6:26:40 PM PDT by PioneerDrive (cursing the darkness)
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To: gd124

Corruption makes the world go 'round.


39 posted on 04/30/2006 6:33:55 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Every vote for a Democrat is a vote for $10/gallon gas.)
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To: gd124

The undergound (therefore covered) parking is how far from city hall?


40 posted on 04/30/2006 6:37:43 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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