You said -- "You think that the U.S. must engage in global genocide in order to survive. You think that diplomacy or sanctions or conventional military action against Iran will fail."
I've never said the U.S. needs to engage in global genocide. Perhaps some others have said that. Perhaps you're mixing me up with them. I've actually said I would be totally against indiscriminate retaliation against nations and cities -- even if we are subject to a nuclear blast here, in the U.S. by terrorists.
HOWEVER, I did say that we need to eliminate the religion of Islam and all their holy sites and all their clerics that teach killing the infidel only on the basis of them not accepting Islam. Islam -- you see -- is the one who advocate global genocide. You've got your "players" mixed up here. You've confused me for being a Muslim.
And as far as believing that we will do something about Iran -- I think we do need to. I think we better. I sure hope we do. But, that doesn't mean that I also think that we will avoid having the terrorists bring a nuclear bomb into the U.S. and blowing up one (or more) of the cities.
Furthermore, from what I see that the Bible says about this -- it appears that the U.S. is not a "global player" any more in the Bible. And so, that would be an indication that something has happened. I'm not sure what, though. It could be a massive terrorist attack.
But even apart from what the Bible says about America (or the "lack thereof") -- there are many people who can see the threat (directly) of terrorists bringing in nuclear bombs into this country.
And, for what the Bible says about Iran -- they will *still be a player* in the world when they attempt to invade Israel. So, if the U.S. did attempt to do something about Iran -- *it didn't work* (according to the scenario that the Bible gives). I'll go along with the Bible's scenario, because the Bible is perfectly accurate. It always has been and it always will be.
Furthermore, you said -- "On all of these points you ignore reality, history, and American technological, economic, political, and military might. On all of these points you are mistaken."
You simply overrate these things. From what Abraham Lincoln told us (in one of his proclamations) and from what the Bible says, too -- God brings up nations and He brings them down. It's not technological, economic, political and military might that does it. You ignore God on these things. God is the major player in all these things that are happening.
Lincoln said this --
By the President of the United States of America.
A Proclamation.
Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.
And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.
And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment, inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!
It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.
Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.
All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the City of Washington, this thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.
By the President: Abraham Lincoln
William H. Seward, Secretary of State
I would pay attention to Abraham Lincoln -- because what he said then also applies today. It has not changed. And the Bible says the same thing.
Besides that, we've got terrorist who want to blow us up and kill us all. And they've already done a deed here in the U.S. So, their goals and their aims are very clear. It's only a matter of time.
I believe you're the one who is ignoring reality on these things.
As for me hitting the bunkers, I don't think so. I think we should go out and fight against Islam -- that evil and false and oppressive religion and make it illiegal the whole world over. Destroying Islam is the same thing as destroying Nazism. With both they were a form of *government*. That's the way it is with Islam. With Nazism, it had it's religious components, too -- and we destroyed it. Islam has no separation of religion from the state government. With them, it's *one and the same thing*. So, we are destroying an evil and repressive regime that crosses several political boundaries.
The *nation* that needs to get *smashed* (as you put it) is the "Nation of Islam" as they themselves refer to it. I say let's completely destroy the "Nation of Islam" and get rid of that evil and repressive regime. Otherwise, they will be doing something to get rid of us -- and severely cripple us, as a nation.
Regards,
Star Traveler
"I think we should go out and fight against Islam -- that evil and false and oppressive religion and make it illiegal the whole world over. Destroying Islam is the same thing as destroying Nazism. With both they were a form of *government*. That's the way it is with Islam. With Nazism, it had it's religious components, too -- and we destroyed it. Islam has no separation of religion from the state government. With them, it's *one and the same thing*. So, we are destroying an evil and repressive regime that crosses several political boundaries. The *nation* that needs to get *smashed* (as you put it) is the "Nation of Islam" as they themselves refer to it. I say let's completely destroy the "Nation of Islam" and get rid of that evil and repressive regime. Otherwise, they will be doing something to get rid of us -- and severely cripple us, as a nation." 
First, you need to learn your history. The Nazis were Fascists. There were 3 major Fascist nations in WW2: Italy, Germany, and Spain. There were of course several minor Fascist nations of little count.
Of those 3 Fascist nations, the U.S. destroyed 1 (Germany), turned 1 into an ally during the war via diplomacy (Italy), and kept the other neutral during the war as well as made it a NATO ally after the war (Spain).
For your analogy of total war against the Nazis to be applied to Islam today, some elements (perhaps even nations) of Islam would have to be destroyed militarily, others turned into allies, and the rest kept neutral in the global conflict...yet this is clearly not what you propose.
You propose the wholesale destruction of Islam even though Turkey is our NATO ally, Montenegro has Islamic troops fighting on our side in both Afghanistan and Iraq, the UAE and Kuwait provide friendly ports and troop bases, etc.
Hamid Kharzai is a diehard pro-American Muslim. He is leading an entirely pro-U.S. government in Afghanistan. He replaced the Northern Alliance's Massood, a long-term U.S. ally dating back to Afghanistan's war against the Soviets circa 1979/1980...and who fought the Taliban without us until we joined the game late.
In short, you'd backstab our allies and turn 1.6 Billion people against us for no good reason save that you are afraid of your own shadow.
You'd bring about the very war that Osama Bin Laden desires...of religion versus religion. You agree with his goal.
Frankly, that makes you an enemy of the U.S.