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Communist Vietnam Lunges for Capitalism's Brass Ring
NY Times ^ | April 27, 2006 | SETH MYDANS

Posted on 04/27/2006 3:34:29 PM PDT by neverdem

HANOI, Vietnam, April 26 — It was Lenin's birthday. The most important Communist Party meeting in five years was under way. And the star of the show was the world's most famous capitalist, Bill Gates.

The president, the prime minister and the deputy prime minister all excused themselves from the party meeting on Saturday to have their pictures taken with Mr. Gates, who has more star power in Vietnam than any of them.

When people heard he was in town, hundreds climbed trees and pushed through police lines to get a glimpse of him. He was the subject of the lead article in the next day's newspapers.

This is where Vietnam stands today, moving cautiously toward a new version of communism while the people and their leaders lunge eagerly for the brass ring of capitalist development.

"That was very symbolic," said Le Dang Doanh, an official in the Ministry of Planning, speaking of the reception for Mr. Gates. "It is a very clear sign of the new mood of society and the people. Everybody wants to be like Bill Gates."

It is 20 years since Vietnam, still struggling in the aftermath of war, began a sort of perestroika that has moved it from a strict planned economy to the more helter-skelter mechanisms of the marketplace. In the past decade, it has been putting its economic house in order — with a bid to join the World Trade Organization this year. And it is now drawing new interest from foreign investors.

"You'll find tremendous enthusiasm among the foreign community for Vietnam as the next rising star," said Jonathan Pincus, the country representative for the United Nations Development Program.

He said this was partly because major companies like Microsoft as well as Intel, Canon and Fujitsu were leading the way, and partly...

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What happened to commie utopia?


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Students from a technical university were among throngs of Vietnamese who took to the streets of Hanoi on Saturday for a glimpse of Bill Gates.

1 posted on 04/27/2006 3:34:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Vietnam and China are not communist anymore. They just keep an outdated name for their system.

It's a mixture of free enterprise, state-owned enterprises, government subsidies, and one-party rule.

Just because the DDR called itself democratic never meant that it was actually democratic.

I'd the only diehards left in the communist camp would be North Korea (excuse me, the People's Democratic Republic of Korea) and Cuba. Both countries are museum pieces and economic basket cases.

2 posted on 04/27/2006 3:40:33 PM PDT by daivid
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To: daivid

What's the DDR? IIRC, last time that I saw it, the formal name of Vietnam is the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.


3 posted on 04/27/2006 3:52:34 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
German Democratic Republic, the official name of East Germany.
4 posted on 04/27/2006 3:55:19 PM PDT by daivid
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To: neverdem
What happened to commie utopia?

Opening of decadent country clubs...
Beginings of a real banking system...
Rebuilding of dairy industry (The Vietnamese go for dairy, unlike most
Asians)...

There are surely some old farts sitting in Vietnam and bitterly saying
to each other "Remind me again...who won the war?"
5 posted on 04/27/2006 3:58:18 PM PDT by VOA
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To: neverdem
Freedom is like Pringles. Once you pop, you can't stop. You want more. The Vietnamese got a taste, and they want more.

Think about it: Pringles. Mmmmm. Pringles.

6 posted on 04/27/2006 4:02:45 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: neverdem

Or could it be that Western CEOs have become blind to Communism and anti Westernism? Are they the Henry Fords of the 21st century?


7 posted on 04/27/2006 4:03:11 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: neverdem
This is where Vietnam stands today, moving cautiously toward a new version of communism while the people and their leaders lunge eagerly for the brass ring of capitalist development.

They would be where Taiwan is today if John Kerry and his ilk and the mainstream press had not caused us to get cold feet and abandon a loyal ally to a godless ideology, which resulted in the imprisonment or death of more than a million people.

8 posted on 04/27/2006 4:05:46 PM PDT by CedarDave (DemocRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON! If it wasn't for double standards, democrats would have NONE)
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To: VOA

The Vietnamese crushed the Cambodian Khmer Rouge (true communists) and beat the ever-loving snot out of the PLA in China's land war with Vietnam in 1979.

Give credit where it is due; the Vietnamese are smarter than the North Koreans and Cubans and Zimbabweans. They are embracing Bill Gates while the Communist Party in France is marching in the streets, protesting anything that disrupts their cradle-to-grave job system in Paris.

9 posted on 04/27/2006 4:06:14 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: neverdem

Makes the unnecessary Vietnam War all the more tragic.


10 posted on 04/27/2006 4:23:38 PM PDT by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: neverdem
All decades of lies, murder and misery that began when Ho Chi Minh launched his bloodthirsty movement . . .

and now this . . .
11 posted on 04/27/2006 4:30:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: neverdem; Chu Gary; angkor; Nam Vet; Byron_the_Aussie; .cnI redruM; Yardstick; cyborg; em2vn; ...

Communist Viet Nam has been trying to be capitalist to get rich enough to fend off China. The rulers there will liberalize and promote market solutions as far as they can and still keep their jobs. Unfortunately, that is not nearly far enough and they will lose their jobs ultimately. There are not a dozen believing Communists in the country now and I use that number because I am giving the "benefit" of the doubt to some of the Central Committee folks. The Human Rights problems are also improving but in fits and starts. A large part of the remaining weight on the Catholics has been removed and the economic ans social disabilities are being finally eased. I don't know anything about the treatment of the Minorities/Protestants lately, though.


12 posted on 04/27/2006 6:41:49 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: daivid

There are plenty of blowhards willing to bring back the glorious misery that is communism. Mugabe and Chavez come to mind.


13 posted on 04/27/2006 6:43:17 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: neverdem
I've said this before
To: onedoug
We are yet winning the Vietnam War.

SO not breaking news.

P J O'Rourke pointed all this out 11 years ago in It's the End of History and Poly Sci isn't expected to recover either

Even John Pilger realized it 5 years ago (but he thought it was bad thing)

4 posted on 04/24/2003 7:27:11 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:The Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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But fine. Noöne listens to me.
14 posted on 04/27/2006 6:47:33 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
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To: daivid

Viet Nam is effectively run by a Mafia, not real Communism at all.


15 posted on 04/27/2006 6:49:49 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

*Bump*


16 posted on 04/27/2006 7:05:43 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: zarf

What's tragic is that you believe that the valiant fight of a people against slavery and our support of them was unecssary.


17 posted on 04/27/2006 7:57:01 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: daivid

Communism is alive and still a force to be reckoned with. We dismiss them at our peril.


18 posted on 04/27/2006 7:58:47 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: neverdem; All

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Here's a few more pictures to also NEVER FORGET:


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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19 posted on 04/27/2006 8:19:10 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: neverdem
Everybody wants to be like Bill Gates.

Or at least have his monopoly.

20 posted on 04/27/2006 8:29:34 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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