Posted on 04/27/2006 11:21:18 AM PDT by John Geyer
Edited on 04/27/2006 11:47:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
I would assume that ethanol, being produced by fermenting American grown corn into a useable fuel, would make gas cheaper, not more expensive. Instead of making the price of gas rise, I would believe that it would fall because we are using a renewable, home grown form of fuel. I guess I'm an idiot for not understanding the reasons behind this, but I ask for someone with more experience to explain it for me. I was telling my father how ethanol would make gas cheaper, and now I feel like a complete moron. Help me understand.
Ethanol: It's about Energy Independence
Ethanol: It's about National Security
Ethanol: If Brazil can do it, so can we!
:>)
You have made some very excellent points in this discussion.
I might add that none of my family members have ever been killed by farm terrorists from Iowa.
Ethanol: It's about Big Corn!
Time to clean my screen! LOL
And why is it you are overlooking Sugar Beets?
Absolutely. In the couple decades Brazil has greatly increased their domestic oil production. We should follow their lead; open up ANWR, Bristol Bay, OCS and all coastal waters.
Ethanol provides about 15% of Brazil's vehicle fuel.
They probably haven't been killed by Alaskan or Domestic Offshore oil workers either.
And if the promotion/production of Ethanol forces Big Oil to pressure Congress to lessen the EPA restrictions currently imposed when constructing new refineries and when opening new drilling sites here in the U.S., so much the better.
For many of us, this is about National Security and Energy Independence. I, for one, am willing to pay more (or trade down to a lower milage vehicle) for fuel if I know some 3rd rate Dictator isn't going to manipulate us via blackmail.
This country simply MUST do something to release ourselves from the grip foreign oil companies hold on us.
Spot on!
"Big Corn"!?!?
ROFL...
Sorry, but American corn is overwhelmingly produced by family farmers.
And unfortunately, historically, way too much of it has been sold for a pittance, and ended up going down the Mississippi River on barges, for export to other countries to feed THEIR livestock.
It's much better to add value at home, by turning corn and soybeans into meat, and NOW, energy as well.
I love seeing the Midwest dotted with ethanol plants, mostly built and owned by family farmer-owned Co-ops, dotting the Fruited Plain.
:-)
Probably true, I don't know for sure what a "family farmer" is. But they ain't Big Corn and if they are really just middle class families trying to run farm equipment and pay their bills, this ethanol scam is going to hurt them probably even more than it will hurt us.
This is Big Corn and these are the people who are picking our pockets.
What I do have a problem with is helpless yuppies who whine and moan that any alternative to American boys dying to keep the Straits of Hormuz open will simply be too expensive to be bothered with unless it can be proven from the outset that it will be a magical solution which will, at one time, be painless, free and universal.
OK, how does ethanol distillation hurt family farmers?
Plus when gasoline is pushed thru a pipeline, different orders and /or blends are separated by a slug of water. With gasoline's Specific Gravity about 0.7 to waters 1.0 it separates out pretty fast and you get a very defined line of separation.
If I remember right, during the Peanut Man's Reign of Mess, they were selling ethanol blended gas. If I didn't put dry gas into my tank, here in Jersey, in the winter, my van would not start.
Dry gas is ethanol.
As soon as I posted that, I started to think what you said. Now I don't know what I was putting into the tank, but the ethanol blend was adsorbing the condensate in my gas tank during the winter. Damn, now I have to think?
Your hardcore Leftwing source is unconvincing. They're long on criticism of everything, but completely short on facts.
I had lotsa laughs as I paged through their site, but this was the funniest one....the one that made me finally click outta there and go wash my hands:
"zPoint: Iraq policy and not military tactics is the reason for the Iraq quagmire. Cheney is behind its lack of realism and deception. He must be removed from the foreign policy loop or there is no chance of improvement. The military wants Rumsfeld removed.
Are we stuck in Iraq?
The US military believes we are stuck for another five years. The Bush Administration is trapped by the failure of its original neocon plan, its present re-cycled Vietnam strategies, and the harsh reality of the escalating civil war."
If you're going to be quoting sources such as that one, don't be surprised when you have no credibility around here.
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