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What REALLY is driving up oil prices.
4/26/06 | self

Posted on 04/26/2006 6:35:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Okay, I have seen a LOT of threads claiming that oil companies aren't really making that much on each gallon of gasoline.

Oh, really? (blink, blink) Then explain the record profits by the oil companies.

Why sure. First, US oil companies don't import all of their oil. In fact several companies actually import very little. Where do they get it? Why, from wells on private and federal land that they drilled on years and years ago. What is the extraction cost to get it out of these wells? You can be darned sure that it is nowhere near $75 a barrel. In fact, I read that it is somewhere around $7 to $15 a barrel. Add to this cost a small royalty that they pay the federal government or private land owner and refining and transportation cost and you come up with maybe $25 a barrel.

Now, mix in the oil they bought 3 or 4 months ago at $52 a barrel that is just now coming to the refinery and you have an average of between $25 and $40 a barrel.

So what we have is huge profits at the expense of the consumer. How long will it last? The prices will start to drop once they feel they are starting to harm the economy. Congress and the media and the consumers stop bothering them and they look for the next opportunity to do it all over again.


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KEYWORDS: collusion; energy; gaspost; gasprices; greed; monopolies; oil; petroleum; refinery
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To: PunkBuster
Truthfully, if I was convinced it was pure free market that made prices $3.00 a gallon at the pump I would grit my teeth but be cool with it.

The only reason you and like thinkers have this conspiracy theory of high gas prices is that you aren't thinking worldwide.

If you can convince me that there is some vast worldwide conspiracy, or even the existence of an organization with the power or influence capable of creating a conspiracy of this size and success, that has nothing to do with the hundreds of millions of new cars and drivers multiplying all across the globe over the past two decades all of whom are lining up to compete with you for gasoline, then maybe I'd be sympathetic.

I think you ought to start gritting and get cool.

241 posted on 04/26/2006 9:39:45 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
Your statement "The increase in oil price is many times what the increase in oil demand has been." is the most ignorant and absurd statement on this subject I have yet seen. You have NO idea what "demand" actually is or how it is measured. Read my No. 125 and follow my suggestion there.

Educate yourself and come back when you can make some sense.

I was going to respond to that post too, but my head was spinning and threatening to explode...I didn't know where to begin, I just wanted to cry. I like how you put your response.

242 posted on 04/26/2006 9:41:34 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: Iscool
The Arabs sound like they control the price of crude...I read yesterday that the Saudi's don't want the oil to go below 60 dollars a barrel???

What does that have to do with anything? I want the cost of crude to drop to $15 a barrel. There. I said it. By your logic, "xjcsa sounds like he controls the price of crude."

243 posted on 04/26/2006 9:45:55 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
First off genius, oil producers don't sell gasoline, gasoline retailers sell gasoline. Gas retailer make money on the spread. They pay whatever the gasoline futures market demands for the gas and then re-sell it to the consumer at a spread. It means they likely don't make anymore money today than they made 10 years ago.

Oil producers are making a killing. But first of all, they were losing money like crazy in the 90s so they have to make up for those losses. They also take serious geopolitical risks in nations such as Nigeria and Russia. Small oil companies can lose everything in those areas of the world. They take the risk so that they can provide an essential product to the consumer who then pay for it.
244 posted on 04/26/2006 9:48:09 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Oil prices have tripled since 2001. Gas prices have only doubled.


245 posted on 04/26/2006 9:48:56 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Oil prices have tripled since 2001. Gas prices have only doubled.


246 posted on 04/26/2006 9:48:59 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: John Valentine; All

DId anyone heat Frank Lautenburg on Fox News today(about 4:30 or so, maybe 5:00) when he was speaking about the cost of Gasoline (he was with Cavuto or someone). He jabbered on for several minutes trying to lay ALL of the blame at the feet of W and "big oil". BUT.... when Cavuto(I think it was) asked him about the Demoncrats plan, and if it contained any NEW supply, he spoke double-talk about conservation, preserving the enviroment, alternative fuels and such. Not ONE thing he suggested will help the situation a BIT!! "no drilling in Alaska/pacific/Atlantic/ Mexico," (IOW.. BANANA.) So if THEY get their way, gas will most likely go WAY up, not down!!


247 posted on 04/26/2006 9:50:02 PM PDT by Rca2000 (I may be a prude, but at least I am CONSISTENT about my beliefs!!)
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
But that's different. We are talking about evil oil companies here. Their not real people. They are staffed by Klingons.
248 posted on 04/26/2006 9:50:24 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: richalessi

The point is, regardless of the price of an item, or what the item is, the cost of the item compared to the value of the item. Less than 10% profit on a gallon of gas compared to 1000%+ profit on a pint of water pulled from the public water system. Government make more profit on gas, alcohol, and cigarettes than the manufacturers, distributors, warehousers, and sales outlets combined do. No one likes $3 gas. But it is a bargain, cheaper than it used to be, (comparative) and available.


249 posted on 04/26/2006 9:50:40 PM PDT by The Republic is Lost
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Throwing stones at glass houses? You've never suffered from greed?


250 posted on 04/26/2006 9:51:22 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: PunkBuster

Maybe it was just over your head. Signed up today but I doubt you are a newbie.


251 posted on 04/26/2006 9:52:12 PM PDT by The Republic is Lost
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That's because gas prices are set by the gas futures market and trade based on a separate set of variables from oil. Oil can stay the same but gas prices rise due to seasonal demand, ect ....
252 posted on 04/26/2006 9:53:34 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: voteconstitutionparty
I stand by my statement.

It's not supply and demand that have taken oil prices this high. Prices have risen much faster and higher than demand has. Also production has been increased.

If Thomas Sowell can be an economist, so can I.

I'll take simple math over doubletalk any day.

Try this on for size: demand and price are the SAME THING! If there is not demand for gas at $3 a gallon or oil at $70 a barrel, then it won't sell and the price will drop. But there *is* demand at those prices right now, so they are sustained.

If your posts represent the economic understanding of the Constitution Party, then I'm very surprised. And staying far away.

253 posted on 04/26/2006 9:54:19 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: danmar
What factors have you employed to generate that graph?

Cut & Paste.

Folks with a lot more information than me generated that graph.

This Week In Petroleum, Gasoline, Energy Information Administration

254 posted on 04/26/2006 9:55:49 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Iscool

Using that logic, we also do not have to buy a car. There are alternatives. They may not be as convenient, but you do have choices. If you want to play, you must pay.


255 posted on 04/26/2006 9:56:28 PM PDT by The Republic is Lost
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To: xjcsa

Then as I said on another post...

Actually, we seem to be saying the same thing.

That it has nothing to do with supply and demand, and everything to do with charging whatever the market will bear.

True?


256 posted on 04/26/2006 9:56:37 PM PDT by voteconstitutionparty
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To: Blood of Tyrants
At least this "greed" is making money for shareholders, many of which are small Joes and Jills like you and me. Unlike certain politically correct tech companies that collapsed that only ever enriched a few insiders.

So any sector that only benefits a few people should come under government control?
257 posted on 04/26/2006 9:56:39 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: PunkBuster
You give me one I will study it to the last page. -grins

"Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt ia another great elementary book on economics and is available online here for free.

Also, "The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics" is available online here

"Price Theory, An Intermediate Text" By David Friedman (Milton Friedman's son) is available online here.

"Cost and Choice: An Inquiry In Economic Theory" by James Buchanan is available here.

"Risk, Uncertainty, and Profit" by Frank Knight is available here.

The first book listed - "Economics in One Lesson" is an easy read and provides examples to make the concepts more accessible. All can be read by anyone unfamiliar with Economics and are great books.

258 posted on 04/26/2006 10:00:27 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: voteconstitutionparty; John Valentine
That it has nothing to do with supply and demand, and everything to do with charging whatever the market will bear.

AAAAArrrrrrghhh!!!!! I CAN'T TAKE IT!!!! PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE TAKE AN ECONOMICS CLASS!!!!

259 posted on 04/26/2006 10:00:41 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Renewable isn't the same thing as being free. The cost of extracting oil is getting more and more expensive as companies have to drill deeper and deeper to get at it.


260 posted on 04/26/2006 10:02:30 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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