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America's rags-to-riches dream an illusion
Reuters (via Yahoo) ^ | April 26, 2006 | Alister Bull

Posted on 04/26/2006 3:47:22 PM PDT by nicollo

America may still think of itself as the land of opportunity, but the chances of living a rags-to-riches life are a lot lower than elsewhere in the world, according to a new study published on Wednesday.

The likelihood that a child born into a poor family will make it into the top five percent is just one percent, according to "Understanding Mobility in America," a study by economist Tom Hertz from American University.

By contrast, a child born rich had a 22 percent chance of being rich as an adult, he said.

"In other words, the chances of getting rich are about 20 times higher if you are born rich than if you are born in a low-income family," he told an audience at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think-tank sponsoring the work.

He also found the United States had one of the lowest levels of inter-generational mobility in the wealthy world, on a par with Britain but way behind most of Europe.

"Consider a rich and poor family in the United States and a similar pair of families in Denmark, and ask how much of the difference in the parents' incomes would be transmitted, on average, to their grandchildren," Hertz said.

"In the United States this would be 22 percent; in Denmark it would be two percent," he said.

The research was based on a panel of over 4,000 children, whose parents' income were observed in 1968, and whose income as adults was reviewed again in 1995, 1996, 1997 and 1999.

The survey did not include immigrants, who were not captured in the original data pool. Millions of immigrants work in the U.S, many illegally, earnings much higher salaries than they could get back home.

Several other experts invited to review his work endorsed the general findings, although they were reticent about accompanying policy recommendations.

"This debunks the myth of America as the land of opportunity, but it doesn't tell us what to do to fix it," said Bhashkar Mazumder, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland who has researched this field.

Recent studies have highlighted growing income inequality in the United States, but Americans remain highly optimistic about the odds for economic improvement in their own lifetime.

A survey for the New York Times last year found that 80 percent of those polled believed that it was possible to start out poor, work hard and become rich, compared with less than 60 percent back in 1983.

This contradiction, implying that while people think they are going to make it, the reality is very different, has been seized by critics of President Bush to pound the White House over tax cuts they say favor the rich.

Hertz examined channels transmitting income across generations and identified education as the single largest factor, explaining 30 percent of the income-correlation, in an argument to boost public access to universities.

Breaking the survey down by race spotlighted this as the next most powerful force to explain why the poor stay poor.

On average, 47 percent of poor families remain poor. But within this, 32 percent of whites stay poor while the figure for blacks is 63 percent.

It works the other way as well, with only 3 percent of blacks making it from the bottom quarter of the income ladder to the top quarter, versus 14 percent of whites.

"Part of the reason mobility is so low in America is that race still makes a difference in economic life," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: jobs; landofopportunity; leftistlies; optimism; pessimism
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Utter lies. What hinders America's poor is not our poltical or economic system -- and not racism -- but the culture of poverty our governments and our leftists friends hoist upon the poor. Think, act, talk, educate and do poor and you will stay poor.

The best thing we could do for our poor is to teach them how to act rich.

1 posted on 04/26/2006 3:47:24 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: nicollo

Goiters


2 posted on 04/26/2006 3:47:59 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: nicollo

It fits that the author's name is "Alister Bull."


3 posted on 04/26/2006 3:48:26 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: nicollo

Bill Gates was born a poor black child.


4 posted on 04/26/2006 3:49:34 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: nicollo

"This debunks the myth of America as the land of opportunity"

So we should all become communists.

He's sure convinced me!


5 posted on 04/26/2006 3:50:24 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: nicollo

This is what is reported as news every day on British and New Zealand newspapers about the US.


6 posted on 04/26/2006 3:51:00 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: nicollo
The state of parenting in white and black poor communities (hint: mother, no father) is imho the most significant explanatory factor--and of course the wackos of Reuters never interviewed someone who might raise that sensitive topic as an issue.
7 posted on 04/26/2006 3:51:05 PM PDT by cgbg (Should traitors live long enough to have book deals?)
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To: nicollo

Actually the American dream was never about amassing great wealth. It's about earning an honest living, buying a home and raising a family while being left alone.


8 posted on 04/26/2006 3:52:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: nicollo

Guess people like Oprah, Colin Powell, etc. don't count.


9 posted on 04/26/2006 3:52:41 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Kenny Bunkport

Alister Bull .....was this miss spelled?


10 posted on 04/26/2006 3:52:55 PM PDT by TET1968
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To: nicollo

"America's rags to riches dream an illusion."

Well, why not? The liberals have only worked 75 years trying to destroy the dream.

Don't tell them but it still happens everyday.

Hahahaha! Had to laugh, children born to wealth end up as
wealthy adults, it would take a liberal to have to do a study to find that out.


11 posted on 04/26/2006 3:53:14 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: nicollo

Define rich...


12 posted on 04/26/2006 3:53:26 PM PDT by dakine
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To: nicollo

the idea that continental europe has more economic class mobility than the US is utter lies.


13 posted on 04/26/2006 3:53:59 PM PDT by georgia2006
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Outstanding! We are no longer "The Land Of Opportunity". Once the word gets around,it'll take the 11 million illegals in this country about 3 months to get the heck out.
14 posted on 04/26/2006 3:54:07 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: nicollo
POOR PEOPLE MAKE POOR CHOICES.....generally speaking.
15 posted on 04/26/2006 3:54:21 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: nicollo
Pure unadulterated hosesh*t.

Anyone who takes responsibility for his own affairs and higher education has opportunities make millions in this country.

I grew up with very little, and nobody helped me worth a damn.

tell the author to call me


16 posted on 04/26/2006 3:54:49 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: nicollo

The Center for American Progress "sponsored" the work?

What other result would you expect than the one Hertz got?

I wonder if Hertz complains about drug studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies.......

I'd like to see this "study."


17 posted on 04/26/2006 3:55:37 PM PDT by michaelt
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To: nicollo

In 1976 my net worth was $60 cash and a 1968 Pontiac Firebird. I also had a throw rug, a warm coat from Fingerhut, and an old milk box full of 8-track tapes.
That was my worldly possessions. All of them.
Today my net worth is well over $1,000,000.
Phttttt.
Work, save and work some more.


18 posted on 04/26/2006 3:55:55 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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"This debunks the myth of America as the land of opportunity, but it doesn't tell us what to do to fix it," said Bhashkar Mazumder, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland who has researched this field.

Can someone (anyone) please tell me what business the Federal Reserve has in producing this kind of research?

Does the Federal Reserve really have the mandate to "fix" the ills their (ahem) esteemed researchers discover in our society?

19 posted on 04/26/2006 3:56:17 PM PDT by citizenK (petit tyranny is still tyranny)
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This pretty much sums it up. If you are born a kennedy , chances are you wil remain one, be rich from the trust funds and never have to earn a penny.

Wait: That isnt all you can get elected and tell all the poor and black folks how much you feel their pain and get elected and give them entitlements with government money while you keep your own.

Aint life grand?


20 posted on 04/26/2006 3:56:20 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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