Posted on 04/25/2006 10:57:43 AM PDT by underwiredsupport
The issue of whether illegal aliens contribute more than they cost is constantly being used in this debate but it really does not matter at all. In this country, the people get to decide public policy on illegal immigration. That is what "republican" self-government is all about. The fact is that the lawful citizens of this country have decided this issue long ago and this decision againt illegal immigration is now and has been expressed in our laws for decades. The ignoring of these democratically enacted laws for decades by our elected officials is nothing less than a revolt by the political elites and their corporate clients and handlers against the sovereignty of the people.
Also, I do not agree for one moment with your economic arguments for allowing illegal immigration. Everything does not come down to economics afterall. One murder of an American citizen, or any crime for that matter, conducted by a person who is here illegally and against whom our government was obligated to protect us is already too much crime. This nation was founded to establish self-government, not to ensure the largest tax revenues possible!
The "totalization" agreement with Mexico will siphon off more social security money than the illegals have contributed...never mind all the public services they steal.
Another way of thinking of this is that Mexico is outsourcing its unemployment to the US.
Oh BS. Our borders should have been secured well over 17 years ago and I don't believe our President was in office at the time. The "Bush's fault" mantra is as tiring as "doing jobs Americans won't do".
Our government has no such duty. Our government has a moral responsibility to provide for the security of our citizenry; a responsibility they miserably fail to uphold by allowing people to drift across the borders wby the millions with absolutely no accountability whatsoever.
Good point about the ownership of the Spanish speaking media. The FCC needs to require them to transmit in English only.
Bad point about our domestic laws applying to anyone. They apply to anyone who is here legally.
But when an enterprise "costs" more than it generates, it goes bankrupt.
But, you know, Luis, what shall we say about Cubans who come to this country scott free and agitate to let in any and all that would come in contempt for our laws, so long as the illegals resemble them?
Maybe we ought to rethink the Cuban policy, don't you think, being an American yourself? 
Will you explain to me why they don't rise up and MAKE their country take care of the problem? They can demostrate here and say how bad we are but they can't do it there for fear of being shot. Well our ancestors faced the same problem and they solved it. People in other countries need to do the same and stop looking to us to solve their problems for them. Get real and stop blaming US for their probs.
...and I was agreeing with you. Although a firmly founded Christian myself, too many people equate morality with religion...they feel that keeping religion out of government equates with keeping morality out of government...which is precisely something both our founders and european enlightenment philosophers warned us about when considering representational governments, democracy and the republican systems.
What you are trying to say is the other presidents did it, so Bush can too, and that is pure BS.
Unfortunately, we can expect nothing from the President on this issue except more of the same.
Actually, the SSA doesn't chase down the fraud. Instead they simply assign (enumerate, in SS parlance) a new number.
Much worse than that.
BUSTED?
You made a good and too seldom offered analysis. Thanks.
Simply put, the ponzi scheme is running out of suckers.
I guess you haven't read the data supplied.
As far as the "Cuban" comment is concerned...
Maybe you need to look at yourself and re-think the assimilation argument, it's you who can't accept those who have assimilated such as myself.
I'm in here debating as an American, free to speak my mind and free to defend my opinion on the way this country should run itself, yet, the moment that I say something that you don't are with, you immediately make the asinine comment that you made, throw in a veiled race card (you have no idea who or what I resemble), and try to subjugate my right as an American to opine freely on the business of America.
I AM an American...obviously a better one than you.
The FCC is disallowed that by the Constitution.
Doubt it. They used the number, probably not the name that matches it.
Point being, this is one of the dirtiest secrets the Gov wishes the sheeple would not acknowledge. This money just gets absorbed by the system. The failing SS system that is supposed to be saved by allowing Illegals GREATER access to funds they now do not claim.
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