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1 posted on 04/23/2006 9:21:47 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

These churches need to shut up and mind themselves of the separation of church and state. Otherwise, they can just take their pathetic arses to Mexico.


2 posted on 04/23/2006 9:25:38 AM PDT by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: NormsRevenge

In Germany the industry and government brought in Turks in the 60's because there were too few workers in industry. The Turks stayed, and now we have Muslim cities. Big business has long forgotten about that, leaving the cultural and religious conflict for citizens, the government and the churches.


4 posted on 04/23/2006 9:37:03 AM PDT by seppel
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"Word of God now includes immigration politics

Wow, I've yet to see that in the Bible and a follow up to that, that states and you get to stay tax exempt.

Wonder why I missed that part in Bible class, and at one time I taught Bible class. Oh goodness, Lord forgive me for I didn't read that you wanted all illegal invaders to invade America.

5 posted on 04/23/2006 9:39:05 AM PDT by stopem (If we need a "guest worker" we'll call........if the phone doesn't ring it's me!)
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To: NormsRevenge

These churches are wrong. They really need to read the word of God and then repent.


8 posted on 04/23/2006 9:42:34 AM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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One other thing, how dare they bring up the Great Awakenings when these very churches have given into Relativism? God have mercy on these leaders who are misleading their followers.
9 posted on 04/23/2006 9:44:21 AM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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More misguided catholic "social justice" BS.

It is beyond my understanding why a church would espouse the paradigm of socialism, which replaces salvation by God, with salvation by mankind? Perhaps it is because the leaders of the church are fools.


11 posted on 04/23/2006 9:45:16 AM PDT by 4U2OUI (OK.)
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Alliances with pro-immigration groups.

They are aligning themselves with Communists, raciest and supremacists.

12 posted on 04/23/2006 9:45:18 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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Is America the only place that has Catholics?

How about Mexican Catholics practicing their beliefs in Mexico, I think they have them there too.

13 posted on 04/23/2006 9:47:49 AM PDT by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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Better yet.

How about FREE catholic school education for these poor immigrants? I imagine the largesse of the socialist religious leaders would fail that test.


14 posted on 04/23/2006 9:47:53 AM PDT by 4U2OUI (OK.)
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The RC needs to stfu on the border or start paying taxes and register under Mccain/Feingold.


15 posted on 04/23/2006 9:50:06 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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Karthick Ramakrishnan, a political science professor at the UC Riverside, said immigrants desire to come to the United States. The reason they want to come here, however, is partly America's fault.

WHAT? How about the reason they come because their own corrupt governments fault?

Our government was founded by Christians, and is the most fair, and follows most closely to Christian teachings than any other on the earth. Jesus instructed us to pray, thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven, so how is it that disregarding this nations laws and sovereignty in favor of anarchy or an unfair socialist government that will realistically fill the void if these church leaders have their way in abolishing the rule of just laws which protect honest hardworking people, the citizens of the United States following the teachings of Jesus?
18 posted on 04/23/2006 10:02:37 AM PDT by seastay
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Some Catholics are confused by the church's willingness to disregard a law it terms unjust.

If Catholics are morally obligated to care for the vulnerable, to what extent are immigrants morally bound to respect a country's laws, they ask.

The Catholic Church is wrong. The Bible says that we are to "OBEY THE LAWS OF THE LAND!" When church leaders tell their followers to break the laws of God, they are sinning and causing their "flock" to sin, because ALL people are to be obedient unto the laws of the land. In the book of Ezekiel, God gives a very strong warning to preachers/priests who lead their flock astray! Woe unto them!

19 posted on 04/23/2006 10:08:20 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (NO GUEST WORKER PLAN! IT IS REALLY AMNESTY, SHAMNESTY OR SCAMNESTY - IT IS THE SELL OUT OF AMERICA!!)
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"Church leaders argue they are following a higher law, one that sometimes is in conflict with man's law"

This is of course a lie. The Princes of the Church have not followed Gods law when they allowed homo Priests to violate young boys and did nothing. Or when they turned the Seminaries over to the "Gay Subculture" and denied access or made life so difficult they quit to those who sought to serve God because they were not Gay.

The Catholic Church in the United States has been taken over by left-wing radicals who are NOT Catholic but who seek to destroy the Church. A task that they have really been doing a good job at as witnessed by the thousands who were molested by the homosexual so called priests.

The Catholic Bishops do not represent the majority of the Catholics in the United States and should be excommunicated from the Church if we ever get a Pope who has the guts to toss them out. But since they elect the Pope that may be difficult.

The book "Goodbye Good Men" by Michael S. Rose is as excellent read of the scum that have infiltrated the Church.


21 posted on 04/23/2006 10:20:23 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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Opinions please?


22 posted on 04/23/2006 10:23:01 AM PDT by SiliconValleyGuy
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People really need to think about what they are saying. Remove the tax exempt status from the Church? There is more in the life than the immigration issue and the church is a great friend on other issues. Be careful what you ask for.

I am not going going to waste much time here defending the Church view on this matter. I have done so in the past and my position is well known. FOr the record, I am not a Marxist, or a Socailist or any of those things. However, I do see that the Church is calling me to remember the dignity of the human being. THe fact that the Church being attacked just reminds me why I am Christian.

Lastly, prepare to expand your attacks. If this has Legs after the Easter break expect other forces to come into play. There is the possibility that some major Evanglicals might speak out on this topic and have a view similar to the Catholic Church. THe boogymen of child abusing Priest and Liberation Theology will not be there. When the Church speaks out on a issue I disagree with it on , I try not to lash out against it. I try to first humble myself and ask if that is Christ speaking to me. Even if in the end I oppose a political stance of the Church, I try not to lash out at its ministers. Do I always succed? No. But thats an occasion of sin for me and I realize that. Furthermore, I thank God there is some with guts to go against the mainstream and realize that I in fact may be wrong. I think that can apply to the Protestant , the Catholic, the Orthodox, or ot the Jew


23 posted on 04/23/2006 10:45:05 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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I am a Catholic and feel that if Church officials, no matter how exalted in the hierarchy, try to undermine our immigration laws, they will be violating the Word of God. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's". Immigration law is definitely the within the purview of "Caesar", and the Church is obligated to accept that fact.
"Consequently he who rebels against the authority [established by God] is rebelling against what God has instituted , and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."
While I admire my Church for extending compassion to others, that does not give it license to undermine our immigration laws, and to teach its flock that violating the law is morally acceptable. Would that the Church would instead use its moral influence to end the conditions in Mexico which cause people to head north.


24 posted on 04/23/2006 10:50:26 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: NormsRevenge

St.Paul wrote, "If they will not work, neither should they eat." But you never hear the welfare state Christians quoting that one.


26 posted on 04/23/2006 10:52:49 AM PDT by Luke21
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Who is this person Menno<WHO sent me an OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE? We live in the Age of Grace because of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are told to follow the LAWS of the land and Illegal Immigrants are Illegal what do you not get?
28 posted on 04/23/2006 11:05:39 AM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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They twist the Scriptures to their own destruction while they load the ballot box for the Vatican.


32 posted on 04/23/2006 12:03:01 PM PDT by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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Aside from the laws being broken, the part that really irritates me is the hypocracy. These religious people say that we should have mercy and compassion on these immigrants from Mexico. At the same time Mexico has far far more draconian laws and treatment for peoples coming north into their country.

The only reason they are berating us and demanding that we change the laws here instead of Mexico, where a much greater proportion of illeval immigrants die or at least lose what little they have or go to jails that are in general worse then we can honestly imagine a jail being, is that we will probably let them whereas the Mexican government would crack down on them with far worse than rubber bullets.


35 posted on 04/23/2006 12:06:41 PM PDT by Geritol (All I need is another hole in my head...)
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