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Many in GOP Will Sit Out Bush Talk (Grassroots Angry Over Amnesty)
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 23, 2006 | Christopher Goffard and Jean Pasco

Posted on 04/23/2006 5:27:56 AM PDT by nj26

When President Bush arrives in Irvine on Monday morning to pitch his immigration reform plan, one of his party's best-known local standard-bearers will be maintaining a respectful — and politically careful — distance.

Dana Rohrabacher, the nine-term Republican congressman from Huntington Beach, generally supports the president, but disagrees with his immigration policies. So Rohrabacher plans to sit out Bush's speech to the Orange County Business Council.

"I don't want to be behind him looking glum and not applauding," Rohrabacher said. "So as not to be rude to the president — which I think is inexcusable — I think I'll just be staying away."

Rohrabacher's remarks reflect deep unhappiness within the GOP toward Bush's immigration stance, particularly in Republican Orange County, which is famous as a caldron of border-crackdown sentiment and where many Republicans criticize his guest-worker plan as amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Bush's decision to speak here might prove an embarrassing miscalculation, said John J. Pitney, a government professor at Claremont McKenna College who used to live in Orange County and worked for the national GOP.

"I'm not sure they had their O.C. antennae up," he said of White House schedulers. "They don't realize how complicated this issue is. It's possible this is a Daniel-in-the-lions'-den moment, but that's not really characteristic of this administration."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; americahate; borderlist; bushhate; california; calvisit; guestworkers; hairboy; haircutboy; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform; irvine; whoishairboy
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To: starbase

When you run with the banner and rhetoric of the hard left, it's easy to get yourself confused with them.

We don't impeach Presidents for differences of opinion, we impeach them for breaking actual laws. When you can come up with one that he actually broke, let me know.


121 posted on 04/23/2006 8:11:04 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Announcing you plans is a good way to hear God laugh. Al Swearengen, 1877—Deadwood)
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To: MaineVoter2002

Once again- George Bush is not on the ballot here in Wisconsin, perhaps he is in Maine- I don't know. But, I am going to guess that he is not on your ballot in November.

George Bush is not responsible for the way you cast your vote- you are!

You are going to be given a choice, and George Bush will not be one of those choices in November.

Sitting on the sidelines in November will result in the Democrats taking back the power. If you are one of the ones sitting on the sidelines, then you are responsible for handing the power back to the Dems. Whether you want to admit that or not- it is true.

Me- I am not sitting on the sidelines, I am going to vote and I am going to work my tail off to convince others to vote. I believe in the Republicans running in my state and local elections. I have actually taken the time to get to know the Republicans running in Wisconsin.

In November, I don't plan on voting for or against George Bush, or an amnesty program. I plan on voting against the Democrats running my state into the ground.


122 posted on 04/23/2006 8:16:30 AM PDT by KCRW
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To: BW2221
This does not bode well for the 2006 elections. /

However when all is said and done, My Texas GOP Senators and Reps have all been mostly on the correct side of votes taken so far. They could pay more vociferous lip service to Conservative positions, but, On their records overall, they have a better than average score and, deserve to be rewarded.

The time to change horses is in the primaries.

123 posted on 04/23/2006 8:17:41 AM PDT by rock58seg (The actual thing all illegal aliens will do, that over half of Americans won't, is vote Democrat.)
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To: Jmouse007

"If we boot enough of them out of power, maybe, just maybe they will get the message: they are there to serve America and AMERICANS, NOT themselves and agents of foreign governments."


I agree!

I did not vote for a King. I voted for representative government to protect this country's interests.

When that stops, so does my loyalty.


124 posted on 04/23/2006 8:17:43 AM PDT by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: nj26

PROSECUTE EMPLOYERS! PUT THEM IN JAIL! SIEZE THEIR BUSINESS AND PERSONAL PROPERTY!

NO AMNESTY! NO GUESTWORKERS!


125 posted on 04/23/2006 8:19:58 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: KCRW

I have to vote for my Congressman, Ron Paul, who is on our side 100% on this immigration mess. Rino Gov. Rick "Hate Crimes & Taxes" Perry can forget it. I'll vote for "Kinky" Friedman first.


126 posted on 04/23/2006 8:20:30 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: wizardoz
#12 and #19 are pretty much the same, aren't they?

Do you mean on my propaganda list? I don't know if you're just throwing up flak, or if you're truly interested. They are closely related, but different enough that I categorized them into two different patterns. (I identified patterns in MSM articles that I saw repeatedly and gave them names, that's how I came up with that list. It's amazing how, as much as 5 years after I made the first list, MSM articles still demonstrate these manipulative patterns).

The "One One Punch Technique" specifically sets the reader up to expect a fair debate, then "fixes" the debate by only letting one side have good quotes. The "Token Equal Time" technique consists of just a single blurb for one side in an article that is otherwise wholly dedicated to the other side of a debate.

I am impressed that you could read through them all that quickly, though. If you have any which you have identified then please don't hold back, let me know what they are.
127 posted on 04/23/2006 8:23:09 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: VanDeKoik
Ok, Ill play devil's advocate here. What is your Plan B? If the DNC controls the House and Senate, what do YOU do. Yo talk of all the things that the current congress under GOP control does not do. We can all agree on that they aren't doing their job.

Fair enough. We are caught in a situation where the GOP says "You need us. Therefore we can do anything we please - your wished be damned." And they are most decidedly not representing us on this most crucial of issues.

Well, they need us too. But they don't think we'll dump'em. They need to think again. The odd thing about mutual assured destruction is that it worked for 50+ years - and completely essential to the strategy was each side's belief that the other would absolutely follow through.

We don't have that faith in our seriousness from our GOP leaders. If they find out through polling that we ARE serious - they have a chance for an epiphany. If they're still to dull to learn - all is not lost - the next two years can be a painful yet constructive learning process for both them - and those voters that believe the 'Rats should be in charge of any more branches of government. I don't think the Senate is in danger of changing over - just the House - but House members hold their future in their own hands - via this particular vote.

What's the risk? Gridlock. But the illegal immigration status quo cannot continue, because it's a fast-track to the Third World. Insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results. And in this regard, insanity is continuing to crawl over broken glass to vote any candidate stamped "GOP", in the vain hope that they will represent us on this, but who instead continue with this hugely destructive policy.

The GOP leadership may just figger all this out. Now...or a little later.

128 posted on 04/23/2006 8:24:18 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: thirst4truth

That figures.

Mess with the easy targets and ignore the elephant in the room.

Just like going after people with legitimate pain medication needs instead of working on the 3 million pounds of coke and heroin coming over the borders. Go for the easy ones for show.

The people in this country who seem to get the most grief are the people trying to follow the laws.


129 posted on 04/23/2006 8:30:01 AM PDT by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: thirst4truth

Be honest. We grudgingly got Alito after the President found out that the moderate Harriet Miers wasn't going to cut it.


130 posted on 04/23/2006 8:31:15 AM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: wizardoz
What is your point?

If by that you mean we have had about enough liberal Republican BS, I can't speak for #12, but you got me figured out.

131 posted on 04/23/2006 8:31:27 AM PDT by Jarhead1957 (It's The Borders Stupid)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Bush is as big a BS'er as scumbag Clinton!
132 posted on 04/23/2006 8:31:56 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: ShandaLear
We don't impeach Presidents for differences of opinion, we impeach them for breaking actual laws. When you can come up with one that he actually broke, let me know.

I really don't see how you can say that. He failed to enforce our nation's laws while he was in office, that is a good reason to impeach him. I agree the scummy Dimocrats will impeach him just because they hate him, but for me he will be getting impeached for his willful violation of immigration law on a massive scale.

It is not his choice as to what laws he feels or does not feel like enforcing. Immigration law is the law that he has broken, and that is what he should be impeached for.

BTW you have a tiny little typo in your tag line. I think you mean to say "Announcing your plans...", not "...you plans...".
133 posted on 04/23/2006 8:32:36 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Big Horn
I won't watch him either, this "bozo" doesn't have a plan except his rediculous "compassionate conservatism" that says no Mexican left behind.

Bush is as big a BS'er as scumbag Clinton!

His obvious impression of the average American is, we are a bunch of "numb noggins"!


134 posted on 04/23/2006 8:34:36 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: wizardoz
you got= You have got
135 posted on 04/23/2006 8:36:58 AM PDT by Jarhead1957 (It's The Borders Stupid)
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To: TomGuy
It would be wrong if we, the grassroots supporters, did not show support for the President if the President was not just executing the will of the people, as Presidents have had to do on rare occasions, but acted accordingly to his Constitutional duties and oath of office.

It is dimensionally different when the President seeks to act based on flawed policy not based on the law of our land but if his actions come to pass, will have advocated lawlessness and anarchy, exactly what the Constitution was ratified to prevent.

We are correct in showing disrespect for the President based on this and it will be right and proper to go beyond disrespect, to a much higher level of self government, as the Constitution allows, no, directs, in instances when the federal government, which is formed at the pleasure of the people, refuses to preserve and protect the Constitution in the defense of the USA.
136 posted on 04/23/2006 8:38:39 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: starbase
I'm not throwing up flak, I'm just a big fan of streamlining. I think people are more willing to actually read a list if it doesn't sound too intimidating to start with. 22 techniques is kind of overwhelming. If you could categorize some together and get it down to about 14 I think more people would plow through it.

I know that I was taught about propaganda from a viewpoint that basically narrowed it down to about 5 techniques. I think they were ...

-bandwagon (everyone's doing it),
-testimonial (it worked for me),
-emotional appeals (positive being over-humanizing, negative being guilt-by-association, belittling, dismissive),
-intimidation (name-calling)
-misrepresentation (the majority of yours seem to be about some sort of misrepresentation.)

137 posted on 04/23/2006 8:39:55 AM PDT by wizardoz
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To: rock58seg
However when all is said and done, My Texas GOP Senators and Reps have all been mostly on the correct side of votes taken so far. They could pay more vociferous lip service to Conservative positions, but, On their records overall, they have a better than average score and, deserve to be rewarded.

Oh, I haven't heard a word from our silent Senator, Senator Hutchinson. I have written her office twice asking for her stand on this issue and they will not answer. The only time you see her is in a puff piece for something that is just tooooo wonderful for words.

138 posted on 04/23/2006 8:40:26 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: KCRW

That's like blaming the victim of a crime.

No, if the pubbies lose the majority in either or both houses, it will be their own fault. They're committing the first action. Conservatives will merely be reacting to their failure to protect this nation against foreign invasion.


139 posted on 04/23/2006 8:40:51 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: nj26
Rohrabacher's remarks reflect deep unhappiness within the GOP toward Bush's immigration stance...many Republicans criticize his guest-worker plan as amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Anyone who believes this issue won't affect GOP turn out in the coming elections is delusional.

140 posted on 04/23/2006 8:42:02 AM PDT by Liberator ( F16Fighter -- Rejecting Koolade, Since 2001 -- aka Liberator, Since 1999)
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