Bin Laden Tape Aired (Just Breaking!)

Sky News ^ | April 23, 2006

[John Valentine]

Well, you and I agree on the preferred outcome. It's just a question of how we get there.

Probably 90% of all Muslims believe devoutly in the basics fo their religion, because that is al they have known since birth combined with the fact that no form of Islam encourages questioning thought, but aren't burning with hatred and spend most of their miserable lives finding twigs to burn and trying to keep lice out of their kids hair.

I recoil at what this program implies, but Islam is like a loathsome virus. Somehow, we have to get it ALL, every book, monument, mosque, and memory. It needs to be erased from the planet, there is not a doubt about that.

But what should replace it? Frankly, I am not too concerned with that. I think it most appropriate that it be whatever religion predominated before ancestral peoples were converted at knife/sword/gun point. Iran could go back to Zoroastrainaism; Pakistan and India to Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, or any of the smorgasboard of religions at home there; Indonesia to their syncretic Hindu/Buddhist amalgam; and most of the Middle East to Christianity. The important point is that whatever religion people might choose, it wouldn't be Islam.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "Here, today, what part of you makes this call for rebuke? From pride's boldness may G-d never hear a prayer for such as you ask -- for vengeance, for rebuke! That is my prayer."

It's a prayer that comes from Abraham Lincoln which was made a proclamation for the entire country. It's an echo we hear out of the past, because our bounty is so much more now. Our blessings have been so much more now, too. And in addition to that our forgetfulness of God has been so much more -- no..., "wholesale abandonment of God". How much more appropriate is it today -- than it was at the time when Abraham Lincoln gave it for the entire country.

In addition to that -- listen to this --

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Must God Apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah?
By Chuck Baldwin
October 2, 2001

It astonishes the mind to realize how many professing Christians refuse to believe that acceptance of moral perversity leads to divine judgment. Such widespread misunderstanding of Holy Writ can only be attributed to a half century of impotent, shallow pulpits. Unfortunately, the consequences of such willful ignorance can only mean we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of past nations that also ignored the warnings of Scripture.

If the Bible teaches anything, it teaches that God is sovereign in the affairs of men. America's Founding Fathers believed that to a man. Our very form of government is predicated upon this principle. The writings of the Founding Fathers are replete with personal acknowledgments to this principle. For Christians to now repudiate this principle is the height of silliness and stupidity.

Since the destruction of the Canaanite empire, every nation throughout history that has repudiated the moral laws of God has fallen victim to the wrath of God. There have been no exceptions. Even more interesting is the fact that the vast majority of these nations fell at the zenith of their power and influence. The mightiest armies men can assemble are but toy soldiers when they march against God.

It is true that God made a special covenant with only one nation, Israel. However, it is equally true that only one nation, the United States of America, made a special covenant with God. From the earliest days of our nation, our forebears made it crystal clear that this country was founded for "the advancement of the Christian faith" and for "the glory of God." Reread the Mayflower Compact, The Fundamental Orders of 1639, and the First Charter of Virginia. Study again the writings of America's Founders. There is no mistaking it: this country made a covenant with God.

Furthermore, Holy Scripture is also clear that God charges every nation to honor His standard of righteousness. Scripture promises divine blessing to nations that elevate these principles and divine judgment upon those nations ignoring them. This has been accepted Christian dogma for 2,000 years! God has made another covenant with the nations of the world: bless Israel and be blessed; curse Israel and be cursed.

Another principle that God has determined will cause a nation to falter or prosper is the principle of leadership. Leaders without the fear of God will doubtless bring a nation into divine displeasure, while leaders who fear and honor God's laws will surely experience Heaven's favor.

For far too long, too many of these sacred principles have been violated in our country! Are we now shocked that God could be using pagan nations (as He repeatedly did with Old Testament Israel) to judge Christian America? Instead of ridiculing the brave men who attempt to call America back to God, we should be doing what God demands.

That means the White House and the church house need to stop normalizing adultery, homosexuality, and other acts of sexual deviancy. We must begin holding our political leaders to the fundamental principles contained in our Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. Most of all, our pulpits must become, as DeTocqueville said, "ablaze with righteousness."

Listening to many modern pundits, one would think they expect God to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah; however, God owes no nation an apology. God is righteous in judgment as much as He is in blessing. The only apology owed is the one owed to God from disobedient people. That is called repentance, and it is time America did it.

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The well-respected evangelist, Billy Graham, said -- "If the LORD doesn't judge the US, he'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah."

And so, voices from the past -- a president of the United States, offering up a national prayer and a recognition of our nation straying from God. How much worse it is now.

Voices from the not so distant past, out of the echos of 9/11, saying how we have forgotten what God has said and done in the Bible -- and how He has judged the nations.

Voices from an evangelist, stating that God may owe Sodom and Gomorrah an apology if He doesn't judge the United States.

How many voices is God going to send -- before people get the message?

Regards,
Star Traveler

[ottersnot]

Die Skinny Die.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "I recoil at what this program implies, but Islam is like a loathsome virus. Somehow, we have to get it ALL, every book, monument, mosque, and memory. It needs to be erased from the planet, there is not a doubt about that."

Well, in reality it's never going to happen that way. I know. The Bible doesn't indicate it happens that way.

However, it will be totally wiped off the face of this earth. It just happens when Jesus Christ comes again, sets up His Kingdom on this earth, and rules and reigns from Jerusalem. It doesn't happen during the "war on terror". There won't be a laundry-list of choices for "religions" at that time, either. There will be just one. He will be it.

That's the time Islam will be wiped from the face of this earth.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Seaplaner]

Did he tell us to "Vote for Hillary" Yet?

Recall that he did campaign for Mister Kerry (in that threatening little way of his) shortly before the 04 election.

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[justshutupandtakeit]

Now a fraudulent voice on a tape can conduct YOUR foreign policy?

[Soul Seeker]

Sooo....no much of Iraq? Is that correct? Admitedly I've been elsewhere today and just catching up, haven't scanned it all yet. Noticed the attention to Sudan. LOL Admitting defeat then, Osama?

[LayoutGuru2]

Being made available for free...

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[nopardons]

bttt

[roaddog727]

"BUSH = HITLER Blah, Blah, Blah

he could do the democrat response to the President's weekly radio address."

Oops, yeah, I missed that one.........

[Jackknife]

[Jackknife]

That's a great image !

[bvw]

Without humility, and with plenty of presumptions.

So I read your posts.

You pray for rebuke to others? You wrap youself in words of scripture while calling for divine rebuke to the rest of us?

G-d protect us from such prayers and pray-ers.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "G-d protect us from such prayers and pray-ers."

You seem to forget one thing. It's God who is the One in charge of the judgments. No person or "pray-er" is involved in dispensing it -- only God.

That's the whole point to what Abraham Lincoln said in his great proclamation, what Billy Graham was talking about in regards to judging the United States, what Chuck Baldwin said about divine judgments in the Bible (on 10/2/2001), plus what many others have said along the way.

That is ... petition the Almighty God for mercy in His Judgment upon the United States.

No one has been saying, "Petition the 'pray-ers' so they don't say those kinds of things in their prayers."

You've got the wrong "object" in your prayers. It's supposed to be God, Himself, not the "pray-er".

People have nothing to fear from other "pray-ers". However, they have much to fear from the living God -- as we can see how He dispenses His judgments, from a look in His Word, the Bible.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[LS]

It is "a." Most begin by being self-selected to be profs BECAUSE they are liberal (like most "artists" and actors, while most engineers and business people are conservatives, as a rule). Second, the system itself (remember, we are NOT generally talking the business schools, engineering, or the hard sciences, which are about 50/50 Dem/Rep) in the humanities and social sciences define "research" in such a way that a conservative has a very hard time getting a Ph.D. or, then, getting a job without kowtowing to the liberal line. (I frequently, in searches, see conservative students who have had to adopt a "race/class/gender" line for their dissertation topic or risk never getting hired).

Then, once in academia, they reinforce their ideas because they tend to dominate all committees, including speakers' committees and curriculum, which then brings in more lefties' ideas.

[Calpernia]

:-)

[LS]

I would say that UAE, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait have all been 95% on our side (all sent troops to fight in the Gulf War, as did Saudi Arabia). I would say that Pak is as "on our side" as the radicals in the government will allow Mushaaraf to be. I would say Syria, Iran, N. Yemen, and Sudan are our enemies, and Libya is "non-aligned" only because of our threats.

[Calpernia]

>>>> I would say that Pak is as "on our side" as the radicals in the government will allow Mushaaraf to be.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620360/posts
Afghan, Pakistan, U.S. to Hold Exercise


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[VaBthang4]

Everyone, altogether now, E-clap for our self promoting PhD.

Regardless, anyone enthralled by that show...is a twit.

[LS]

Bwa-hahahaha. Your post speaks volumes about the fact that you can't UNDERSTAND it. Bwa-hahahahahaha. Try "This Old House."