Posted on 04/21/2006 5:27:36 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
The immigration "debate" continues....and with every passing day, the American people get more and more fed up with the invasion of illegal aliens from Mexico. One proposal being kicked around is to build the equivalent of The Great Wall of Mexico. That's right...a huge wall stretching some 1,951 miles...from San Diego to Brownsville. That should just about do it. Make it a double-fence. Let really hungry dogs patrol the space between. It's an invasion ... it needs to be stopped.
At any rate, the desire for some sort of border wall is falling on deaf ears in Washington. It's not politically correct.....people think it's mean. But building a wall to prevent an invasion is natural right of any citizen or government. Mexicans are talking about the "reconquista." That's the dream of many Mexicans to retake the American Southwest ... as their own. If you aren't sufficiently agitated by this invasion, perhaps you would like to log on to http://www.aztlan.net. There you will find a story about a University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor who is predicting a new, sovereign Hispanic nation in the Southwest. He calls it the "Republica del Norte" That would translate into the Republic of the North. This professor in an American university says that this is inevitable. Do you like the sound of that?
Anyway, enter the Minutemen. This is the group of citizen militia that have been patrolling the border with Mexico on their own time. They're tired of the endless stampede from Mexico. So now they've issued an ultimatum to President Bush. Build a fence or we'll do it for you.
In fact, it may happen. Already, landowners along the border are stepping forward to donate the land to put up the wall and contractors have stepped forward to donate equipment to build it. This could work...and maybe we can finally put a lid on illegal immigration.
Maybe
"And anyway wouldn't it be intellectually honest for Mr. Simcox to live up to his own rhetoric and pay Americans an American wage to build the fence."
Your extension of the arguement... even once you are shown the error in your ways reveals you are adhering to rhetoric beyond reason.
Once again... volunteer patriotic chore. Not a profit making venture. What part of that is too difficult for your childish world view to grasp?
I considered that aspect, but I still think they'll file suit.
You're talking about leftist politicians and the moveon.org left who are disconnected from most Americans (as are many politicans on the right on this issue). You think the average Democrat voter listens to Air America? That wouldn't explain it's ratings problems.
Once again... volunteer patriotic chore. Not a profit making venture. What part of that is too difficult for your childish world view to grasp?
Got it, building a fence with unpaid but willing labor good, a farmer who grows food and pays willing workers a market wage to pick food, bad.
"...and provide "living wages" for Americans... "
This statement has a definite liberal ring to it.
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Uh I ain't the one who uses rhetoric such as farmers and contractors pay "slave" wages. That's the minutemen rhetoric.
"You think the average Democrat voter listens to Air America? That wouldn't explain it's ratings problems."
My brother is a blue collar old style dem who stuck with the party. He listens. Calls it "progressive radio". Thinks Bill Press is a genius.
So, I go with what I see. I think that many on the left are touchy feely about this. Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses. They're signed up for that.
I could be wrong on this. But my small sample indicates that the left is ok with being soft on border control.
Reconquista Armando Navarro 'Ethnic Studies' Professor at the University of California, Riverside Anti-American, Fifth-Column Menace. "Ladies and Gentlemen, what this means (the immigration bill) is a transfer of power, it means control, and it is the young people, the people who are now moving to develop an agenda for the twenty first century they are going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, even in the terms of an Aztlan...."
"Got it, building a fence with unpaid but willing labor good, a farmer who grows food and pays willing workers a market wage to pick food, bad."
I pray to the Lord Almighty that our leaders get this problem under control. And when they finally grow a spine and cut off your access to cheap labor, come tell us how legitimate businesses are kicking your heiney would you please?
Oh I see it is alright for chris simcox to use cheap labor to build a fence, but when a farmer pays market wages, damn him to hell.
It's gotta be embarrassing to the PTB for the People to do the job they should be doing. First, Gilchrist patrolling the border, now the Minutemen will build a much needed 2,000 mile long wall. You gotta love the People of the US.
"Oh I see it is alright for chris simcox to use cheap labor to build a fence, but when a farmer pays market wages, damn him to hell."
LOL! Yep! Them fence builders damn well better use union labor!
Thanks for the link. I donated.
"...but when a farmer pays market wages, damn him to hell."
If your competition can survive, then you're doing something wrong. Adam Smith says in that scenario, you deserve to go out of business. Care to tell me how wrong Mr. Smith is on this issue?
A Habitat for American Humanity project...
I wonder if the Montgomery County, MD high schools would give community service hours credit to any MoCo high school kids who worked on this project - as they did for any kids who participated in the illegal alien rallies.
And hueto replied:
Not sure what you're driving at here Dane
I'll explain.
Dane is mocking the construction of a border security wall because he knows that - as a "barrier device" - it will work, and work well.
And therein lies the problem.
All those who denigrate a Southern Security Barrier - either as a concept, or in the actual construction of such - do so because they are afraid that the barrier will perform EXACTLY as intended.
Of course they will _first_ try to tell you that "walls don't work". The idea is to discourage any attempt to construct one.
OK, fine. So if it doesn't work, let us build one anyway, and only make fools of ourselves.
In that case, they'll go ballistic and try anything - from legal and environmental challenges to physical protest - to block the construction.
Why bother to do that if a wall "won't work"? Well, SURPRISE! They were lying all the time. Walls DO work.
Why the heck do they have a security fence around the White House? It still doesn't stop the occassional "fence jumper", right? (sarcasm off)
I predict that, if a true security barrier begins to take shape along our Southern Front, that we will see not only the lefties lining up to try to block it, but the Republican/country club open borders lobby, as well. An uneasy alliance, but it will be an alliance nonetheless.
- John
Building a fence with unpaid but willing American citizen labor good, a farmer who grows food and pays willing workers who broke American laws to get to America, meaning that they are here illegally a market wage to pick food, bad.
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