Thank an immigrant

Catholic Online ^ | 04.20.06

[Clemenza]

Gee, the Church is against Muslim immigrants in Europe, but loves the Cholos polluting our society. I wonder why...

[antceecee]

Hmmmmm

[Razz Barry]

This method worked when we were growing up, why can't it work again?

It could, if some laws are changed. Many states have limits on the number of hours, age and type of jobs school children can work. They say it interferes with their school work. I say the kids don't put any more time into studies, it all goes to goofing off.

[Rastus]

The local news (Dallas, WB33) was calling them "undocumented citizens" tonight.

[catholicfreeper]

THe Church is for an orderly immigration process. I know its tempting to put the Church in a political corner on this issue buts its really not so. When I speak of the Church I mean the Church Universal. . The Church's concern is the Dignity of the Human Person as I said before and to spread the message of Christ and his justice. Reasonable minds can differ over the specifics. The Church does not endorse or require a State to have a open door policy

Again to quote the Catechism on this issue
2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens

Thats very instructive. In fact the second paragraph in fact speaks to the concerns of many here. The First paragraph qualifies "to the extent they are able" Again the question is the specifics. As to Muslims. A State can maintain its identity. The Church is not saying stop all Muslim immigration. But that a Christian ID remain in Europe. Thats a legitimate goal.

[clawrence3]

Native Americans didn't think our alien invader ancestors were "immigrants" either.

[p23185]

"undocumented citizens"

The antique media has long ago given up stating anything close to the "truth". These people are citizens of a non-United States country - that makes them ILLEGAL ALIENS when referring to them inside the United States. No other way to view it.

[clawrence3]

I have no problem with "illegal aliens" (at least until the law is changed ; )

[RFT1]

Get over it. The Native Americans and the Europeans were in a war, the Indians lost, the Europeans won, end of story. Its makes me ill that so called "conservatives" such as you resort to Politically Correct BS.

[RFT1]

The K of C deserve to be bashed without mercy. The view they are taking amounts to handing over the US and her future destiny to the 3rd world. THis is not the only problem I have with them either. The K of C liek I said amounts to a go along, get along group that for quite some time has excused bad behavior and decsions by the Bishops.


Again, not one of my hard earned dollars goes tothe K of C, they are simpily heading in the direction Catholics Charities has headed in.

[RFT1]

Illegal immigration only helps the elites of both the US and Mexico, and it degrades the standard of living for most Americans. The church shoudl focus on unjust conditions in Mexico first, but saldy, the conditions in Mexico are hardly every brought up. The Cathechism states a country has a right to have integral borders, and laws against illegal immigration are not unjust, and in fact, a strng arguement can be made that allowing high levels of immigration is unjust because it reduces wages and upward mobility.

[RFT1]

People are fed up with the govrenmnet doing nothing about illegal immigration for decades. Your are tired of people being fed up, thats your problem. How do you feel about American workers being displaced from jobs, having their wages undercut? How do you feel about neighborhoods decaying because of a massive influx of illegals? How do you feel about local and state taxes going up, while services degrade to take care of illegals? You are tired of the truth?


People like you are BLIND, growing up in California, I saw the damage done, severe damage that destroyed many once solid working class communities and turned them into high crime urban slums. Thats the reason why I see this issue as an issue that there can be NO COMPROMISE, I saw California destroyed, and I will be damned if it is going to happen to the rest of the US.

[hershey]

Cable network (CNN or MSNBC), interview this am with illegals sent home by plane. Didn't hear how many times they'd been caught. One said he'd sneaked into the US because he was 'hungry'. (He looked quite healthy.) Doubtless they were all victims with sob stories, but I had to turn it off and did so, thinking it was snow job. Yet talk to any Liberal and this is what you'll get along with a glare: "Where's your 'compassion'? What's wrong with letting everybody in? Aren't we all immigrants? If they came from Ireland or England, you wouldn't care! (closet racist!)"

[Dane]

It was also instructive to listen to the attempts radio shows made to play “Gotcha” with the protesters. Reporters who interviewed actual protesters found surprising stories that didn’t quite support the “immigrant threat” storyline.

One Mexican immigrant told Sean Hannity’s program that he had been in the country illegally for 12 years, working hard, paying taxes and raising a family. Another reporter met a doctor who was waiting on tables and learning English. Another was a dishwasher with a master’s degree.

I actually heard the interview done on Hannity's program, it was done by Mark Davis of WBAP, Dallas. Davis basically admitted that he was shocked about the guy he interviewed(the guy who has been living here for 12 years raising a family and paying taxes), didn't fit his stereotype and said he was a good person.

See what happens when you listen to the bile of savage(weiner), tancredo & co., it just as bad and untrue as the bile coming from the left, but that doesn't matter to the loudmouth right. They would rather push these naturally social conservative and probably fiscally conservative people away into the bosom of hillary with their knee jerk bile and talking points, instead of finding a solution to an immigration problem that has been out of whack for 40 years.

[clawrence3]

You realize I was responding to someone's post sarcastically, right?

[Serenissima Venezia]

Another reporter met a doctor who was waiting on tables and learning English. Another was a dishwasher with a master’s degree. These stories of hard-working immigrants suggest that immigration is a net gain, not a drain, for America.

??? How is importing a waiter and a dishwasher a net gain? Their education from their home country doesn't matter if they can't utilize it here. I assume they either can't speak English to work in their former professions or the U.S. doesn't recognize their degrees - which is common when another country's educational standards are far below ours. In other words, so what?

[Serenissima Venezia]

No matter how hard the GOP tries to grab the Latino "pro-immigrant" vote they don't have a chance in hell of succeeding. They'd be better served putting all that energy into keeping their traditional voters from straying and keeping more future Democrat voters from arriving ....and encouraging the ones already here to head back home.

Exactly. The GOP is antagonising their base to the point of committing political suicide. And all for a minority of potential future voters that can't even vote right now. They deserve to lose with stupid thinking like that.

[Serenissima Venezia]

The unwillingness to even consider a guest worker program is all about fear, and nothing but fear.

It's about the politicians lying and calling something a 'guest worker' program when it is actually amnesty.

[Serenissima Venezia]

...growing up in California, I saw the damage done, severe damage that destroyed many once solid working class communities and turned them into high crime urban slums. Thats the reason why I see this issue as an issue that there can be NO COMPROMISE, I saw California destroyed, and I will be damned if it is going to happen to the rest of the US.

I didn't grow up in CA, but I've lived here for the past 20 years and it is like a 3rd world country in spots. And those areas are growing rapidly. Just in the past decade, after moving away and coming back, I've seen changes for the worst. We're trying to get out of Mexifornia -there's no hope for it any more - but if the politicians (excluding Tancredo, Sensenbrenner, and a few others with sense) have their way, it won't seem like the U.S. anywhere we go.

[ketelone]

"Illegal alien invaders are NOT immigrants"

Bravo! Well said.

An IMMIGRANT is someone who legally makes his way over here, through the legally sanctioned process established. SOmeone whose credentials are vetted, and is actually a net gain to society.

A lawbreaker is just that, a lawbreaker. Lets not tar all the people who have immigrated through proper process, got their citizenship through legal means with the same brush as the guy who just walked across the border and never went home.