Posted on 04/19/2006 4:08:53 PM PDT by HEMICRASHBOX
Native Utahn David Timmins makes it clear up front that he has no personal issue with Mexico or the Mexican people. During a well-traveled career as a U.S. foreign service officer, he lived for a time in Mexico and says he enjoyed his posting there immensely.
But in light of the current consternation over immigration, the Harvard-educated diplomat thinks it's applicable to the debate to bring up something he learned while he lived south of the border.
"Mexicans see the Western U.S. as part of Mexico that was stolen from them 150 years ago," he says. "They believe this with all their heart."
It's his view that the thousands flooding across the border every month don't see themselves illegally immigrating into a foreign land.
They see themselves coming home.
And we're the illegals.
"I lived in Mexico 20 years ago," says Timmins, referring to his days as an embassy worker in Hermosillo in the late 1980s, "and during that time I reported without much attention being paid in Washington on the evolving Mexican government policy of passively promoting illegal immigration as part of a deliberate and long-range strategy to regain control of the border and mountain states it lost during the Mexican War of 1847-48."
Timmins points to a specific incident he remembers that pounded home to him the reality of what he is saying:
"I was visiting the Museum of National History in Mexico City where I observed a class of perhaps 40 10-year-old school kids sitting on the ground in front of a huge mosaic map that was labeled 'Mexico Integral,' or 'Greater Mexico.' Their teacher expounded on how the Norteamericanos stole half of Mexico in 1847. The map showed Mexico to include Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, California, most of Idaho, and Oregon and Washington up to the Alaska panhandle."
Timmins explains that, in addition to what the United States gained in 1847, Mexico also believes part of the territory sold to America by France in the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 actually belonged to Spain, which by extension means Mexico.
"They (Mexicans) think we bought a disputed title," he says. "But luckily for us, (Thomas) Jefferson moved fast."
Add up all this history, Timmins says, and it explains "why every Mexican president, up to and including Vicente Fox, thinks his citizens are simply navigating to land that is historically their entitlement."
Further, he sees an objective to this passive navigation.
"They have an undeclared policy to retake by infiltration what they lost by infiltration," he says, comparing the large numbers of Mexicans currently streaming into U.S. territory to the large numbers of Americans who once poured into then Mexican-held strongholds in Texas, California and elsewhere; Americans who eventually turned their collective might into majority rule.
In other words, they're doing to us what we did to them.
Part of this "infiltration" is remaining fiercely loyal to their Latino culture — including such basics as music, food and, especially, language — while steering clear of becoming "Americanized" to any significant extent.
Timmins notes that unlike European immigrants who largely shake off their roots and their accents within a generation, Mexican immigrants — illegal and legal — tend to stay true to where they came from.
"Their object is to not shift the border on the maps but shift the border in people's minds," says Timmins.
At issue, he points out, is "Who will own the American Southwest a generation from now?"
The retired embassy worker isn't at all sure it's going to be the current home team. In his view, unless "serious reform" is put into place, including much stronger immigration rules that deny all benefits to illegals, including the ability to send money home, and impose serious penalties on American employers who hire illegals, the cultural slide will only increase.
"It is only going to corrupt our system if we don't get control of our borders and control of our assimilation process," he says. "The notion that all that is needed is enforcement of existing law plus a guest worker program is simplistic beyond description."
Time for the military.
"Who will own the American Southwest a generation from
now?"
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I wish I could answer that question with confidence, but we are already close to too late on keeping the Southwest and california?
It's definitely time to fill Yucca Mountain with depleted uranium.
Ah heck, just "salt" the whole area before we sede it back to them
And DUmmies see the 2000 and 2004 elections as being stolen from them. TFB, Reality bites.
Ummm, history proves one rule that must be taught to these, "We were here first," people:
It's your land for as long as you can keep it.
I doubt they would still want it if it had been under Mexican control all of this time.
Good on you! And those folks (Spaniards) butchered a whole bunch of "native Mexicans", not that I'm complaining, they (the "native Mexicans: Toltecs, Mixtecs, Aztecs, etc.,etc.) seemed to enjoy butchering other cultures as well.
BTW, everyone (Hispanic) that I speak with about their roots always seem to focus on their lineage coming from SPAIN, so in effect, Conquistadores; you know mounted on thunderdogs, sheathed in armor, swords and thundersticks, raining fire and brimstone upon those folks...
I wonder what the Native Americans would say to this. I guess the only way to say "no way"...is to build that wall, a double impervious wall ASAP!!!!. Get rid of the Mexicans and Vicente!!!
It seems there is no level of stupidity we will not entertain. It's the old story . We have fouled our nest beyond repair , give us yours. The hubris will end.
Indeed. Take a good look around parts of California RIGHT NOW, and answer this question: have _we_ "kept it"?
Our land as long as we can keep it.
With the current rates of invasion, with MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS more waiting to surge in, just how long are we going to keep it?
- John
That river in Egypt must run through Mexico.
Good point.
Has Mexico "polled" the Ute, Navajo, Apachi, & "pueblo tribes" {the tribes of the US Southwest} about this return to "the good old days"?
Has the US Press researched this?
As poorly has Washington treated them, Mexico & Spain were WORSE!
Bump!
In other words, they're doing to us what we did to them.
Nonsense. Mexico had a very tenuous claim to lands north of the Rio Grande at their best, and even that was only for a very short period - 1821 to 1836. At the height of Mexico's "occupation" of this area, there were only a few thousand Mexicans in the whole area from Louisiana to Arizona.
And - just as Mexico fought for and won independence from Spain, Texans fought for and won independence from Mexico (and the indigenous populations living there at the time).
Well, since we have now 10% of their people, I propose we just adjust the border south appropriately when we build our wall. After all, those people need a place to live.
They've already won.
Yet the cheap labor bots and marxist grad students will, with tears in their eyes, join hands and tell us this human tsunami is just like Ellis Island at the turn of the century.
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