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Scientific Illiteracy and the Partisan Takeover of Biology
National Center for Science Education ^ | 18 April 2006 | Staff

Posted on 04/19/2006 3:57:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

A new article in PLoS Biology (April 18, 2006) discusses the state of scientific literacy in the United States, with especial attention to the survey research of Jon D. Miller, who directs the Center for Biomedical Communications at Northwestern University Medical School.

To measure public acceptance of the concept of evolution, Miller has been asking adults if "human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals" since 1985. He and his colleagues purposefully avoid using the now politically charged word "evolution" in order to determine whether people accept the basics of evolutionary theory. Over the past 20 years, the proportion of Americans who reject this concept has declined (from 48% to 39%), as has the proportion who accept it (45% to 40%). Confusion, on the other hand, has increased considerably, with those expressing uncertainty increasing from 7% in 1985 to 21% in 2005.
In international surveys, the article reports, "[n]o other country has so many people who are absolutely committed to rejecting the concept of evolution," quoting Miller as saying, "We are truly out on a limb by ourselves."

The "partisan takeover" of the title refers to the embrace of antievolutionism by what the article describes as "the right-wing fundamentalist faction of the Republican Party," noting, "In the 1990s, the state Republican platforms in Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Missouri, and Texas all included demands for teaching creation science." NCSE is currently aware of eight state Republican parties that have antievolutionism embedded in their official platforms or policies: those of Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Texas. Four of them -- those of Alaska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Texas -- call for teaching forms of creationism in addition to evolution; the remaining three call only for referring the decision whether to teach such "alternatives" to local school districts.

A sidebar to the article, entitled "Evolution under Attack," discusses the role of NCSE and its executive director Eugenie C. Scott in defending the teaching of evolution. Scott explained the current spate of antievolution activity as due in part to the rise of state science standards: "for the first time in many states, school districts are faced with the prospect of needing to teach evolution. ... If you don't want evolution to be taught, you need to attack the standards." Commenting on the decision in Kitzmiller v. Dover [Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al.], Scott told PLoS Biology, "Intelligent design may be dead as a legal strategy but that does not mean it is dead as a popular social movement," urging and educators to continue to resist to the onslaught of the antievolution movement. "It's got legs," she quipped. "It will evolve."


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: biology; creationuts; crevolist; evomania; religiousevos; science; scienceeducation; scientificliteracy
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I agree...butting into a familys decision should always be discouraged, but when the family makes a decision, that places a seriously ill child in even graver danger, by denying medical help, well, that is something I cannot even fathom...

Which is more important?...preserving the family decision making ability when it comes to medical treatment, even if that decision will harm the child even more, or is the greater obligation to restore the child to health, so that the child can eventually become an adult, and make the decisions for himself?


1,141 posted on 04/24/2006 9:50:52 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: editor-surveyor
editor-surveyor

If the 'medical help' involves putting pieces of a cadaver into my body or anything at all involving the destruction of an unborn life(for any reason), then I don't need that sort of 'medical treatment', for all of us that are born will die and at some point the choices we make define who we will be.

I will take my chances with prayer for his will to be done, and other medical options.

PS; There is an elephant in the living room editor check freep mail.

Wolf
1,142 posted on 04/24/2006 10:27:50 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: balrog666; editor-surveyor
//How offensive to the God you claim to worship is rejecting His power, His knowledge, and His intent? By embracing such ignorance, how can you really claim to understand His Creation, you steaming troll?//

What is truly beyond absurd and into bizarre is you who have shown nothing but rejection and hatred for any concept of god (except maybe yourself & your monkey god) has claimed knowing of the offense to, intent of, etc to the same god you reject as truth-reality.

BTW, I looked at PH's links, and there you are back there in 2003 saying the same things you are now like this( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1617533/posts?page=1103#1103) to editor "you steaming troll"

You know balrog, I am not really expecting a whole lot here from this forum in the way of an honest rational answer, because that never seems forthcoming now does it?
But if characters like yourself can camp out on these threads for years and throw your imbecilic monkey crap around for hundreds/ thousands? of posts, I would hope that I can call it how it is.

And how it is, is the hatred flows out your sort like pus **** * ****.

Wolf
1,143 posted on 04/24/2006 10:45:41 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: andysandmikesmom
that parents have the right to deny their children medical care, if the child needs it?...

Who determines the "need"? I certainly don't want the state or anyone else telling me my children must take the AIDS vaccine or Ritalin. You want something like that? Go to Red China and live there.

1,144 posted on 04/24/2006 11:25:00 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
that parents have the right to deny their children medical care, if the child needs it

// Who determines the "need"? I certainly don't want the state or anyone else telling me my children must take the AIDS vaccine or Ritalin. You want something like that? Go to Red China and live there//

Bump that. I saw the closet socialist-marxist too, but you put it out here.

Kudos to you AndrewC.

Wolf
1,145 posted on 04/24/2006 11:49:24 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: AndrewC

I am not really certain, why you are so angry....did I actually say anything about any AIDS vaccine or Ritalin...I dont think so...and for you to decide that is what I meant, you surely are mistaken..

What I am talking about, is if there is a child, who is in a serious accident, has severe internal bleeding, and needs a blood transfusion...that could be one scenario...should the child be allowed to die for lack of a transfusion?...

Or what about a child who has a strep infection, and the type of strep he has, is the dangerous one, proven with a culture swabbed from his throat...usually a course of antibiotics will knock that strep out...but if left untreated, such a strep could go on to further cause rheumatic fever or other severe complications...should the child be allowed to run the risk of having life threatening complications, due to the strep having further intrusion into the body?

There are many other examples that could be given...no need to jump all over Ritalin treatment, or an AIDS vaccine...

If you think the examples I have given above, kinds of cases which occur quite commonly, are justifiable cases where children should be denied medical treatment, because their parents object to the treatment, just say so...and I will take that to mean, that these children will be subjected to further declining health, due to their parents objections to the 'cure' for their medical condition, and that would be fine with you...

And the fact that you tell me to go to Red China to live, is something I will overlook...and wont say what I think of it...

I was simply trying to figure out what folks think on this subject, and unfortunately, you have some real problem with that...


1,146 posted on 04/24/2006 11:54:54 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: RunningWolf

Hey, you want to call me a closet socialist-marxist, do it to my face, and ping me via Freeper courtesy...



1,147 posted on 04/24/2006 11:57:45 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
Look, you make a mockery out Freeper courtesy... and a few other things too.

Jerk

Wolf
1,148 posted on 04/25/2006 12:06:59 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: andysandmikesmom
I am not really certain, why you are so angry....did I actually say anything about any AIDS vaccine or Ritalin...I dont think so...and for you to decide that is what I meant, you surely are mistaken..

Angry? I am not angry. I am adamant about freedom and choice. I believe that you are the best person on earth to care for your children. No one else. You brought them to life(for the sake of argument). You cared for them. You live with them. You make the choices for them. That is my belief.(and yes, you can play Zeno's paradox with any situation).

1,149 posted on 04/25/2006 12:10:01 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: RunningWolf

As usual, your post contains nothing of substance, its nothing but insults and name calling...how typical of you...true to form...


1,150 posted on 04/25/2006 12:11:12 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: AndrewC

OK...I am just trying to get things straight...I certainly believe I am as adamant about freedom and choice as anyone else here...I just get upset when children die, because of lack of medical care...I am not going to bust into someones house, and demand that they seek a particular medical treatment for their children...I dont have that right, as no one else has the right to do the same to me...

But the dilemma for me is, what about the lives of the children...I guess the question is, do parents have the right to allow their children to die, because of lack of medical care?...that is really all I am asking....

I dont know why this cannot be discussed in a civil manner...I dont like being called names, nor do I like being told to go live somewhere else...is this really what asking questions comes down to?...


1,151 posted on 04/25/2006 12:16:36 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
I guess the question is, do parents have the right to allow their children to die, because of lack of medical care?...that is really all I am asking....

The answer is yes. That is what a life and death decision is all about. But the only person that should make that decision for a child is the parent. Solomon proved that.

Sorry, you didn't like my Red China reference, but I like to make my points strong and not wishy-washy.

1,152 posted on 04/25/2006 12:22:29 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

Well, then, you have honestly answered my question, and for that I do thank you....

And no, I dont like the Red China reference, regardless of your reason...you are completely in error, when thinking that I should go live there, because I want to enforce my will on other parents regarding their childrens health care...you could not be more mistaken...


1,153 posted on 04/25/2006 12:27:19 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
you are completely in error, when thinking that I should go live there,

I didn't say that. I presented an implied conditional. However, if you do think the state should decide those things, then my consequent is true.

I certainly don't want the state or anyone else telling me my children must take the AIDS vaccine or Ritalin. You want something like that? Go to Red China and live there.

1,154 posted on 04/25/2006 12:39:58 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: andysandmikesmom
Well, you can probably have a deep stimulating substantive dialog with balrog, or some other deep thinker evo along that line /sarc> You have quite the rapport & dialog with that sort.

You go there, LOLOL

Wolf
1,155 posted on 04/25/2006 12:44:00 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: andysandmikesmom; AndrewC
// But the dilemma for me is, what about the lives of the children...I guess the question is, do parents have the right to allow their children to die, because of lack of medical care?...that is really all I am asking....//


Parents engage the death of their children every day... Abortion what about it?

I say no

Wolf
1,156 posted on 04/25/2006 12:47:57 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: AndrewC; Right Wing Professor
Blather noted, but it is my commitment to independent thought and free will that allows me to consider that a person can decide how to treat their own bodies when faced with death. And again, obvious to billions.

Now that's really nice Mr. C but I read RWP's post again and I can't see where he said that a person can not treat her own body as she pleases.
Yes, he did say that the choice that lady made was insane from his point of view (as well as mine) but he didn't say that she shouldn't have been allowed (maybe by force?) to make it.
And as far as I know he's still free to voice his opinion.

So free choice is insanity to you.

Huh? How did you get that from his post?
Some choices can indeed be seen as stupid or insane but that doesn't mean that he thinks free choice in general is stupid or insane.

Ireland must be a wonderful place in which to grow up.

Never been there so I can't comment on that.

1,157 posted on 04/25/2006 4:04:49 AM PDT by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: ToryHeartland
Only if you are interested in looking at the data--which you clearly are not.

As you so easily pointed out, you can look at the 'data' EITHER way and STILL make the same Evo claim!

1,158 posted on 04/25/2006 4:19:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Thatcherite

Perhaps I exaggerated, but not by much.

Is this how a typical Evo's mind works?


He never did answer....

So that means YOU can fill in the blank??


You folks DO realize that 'medicine' is thwarthing Evolutions grand design.

How can the future fight germs the good old way if we keep trying to kill them off artifically?

1,159 posted on 04/25/2006 4:25:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: andysandmikesmom
Well, it looks like you've been called a socialist/Marxist and a jerk by the *best* of them. Don't take it too personally; they are WAY beneath you. They aren't interested in engaging in anything close to a reasonable debate, especially the rabid dog.

They've shown themselves for what they are.
1,160 posted on 04/25/2006 4:26:07 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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