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Should New Mexico Still Belong to Mexico?
FOXNews.com ^ | April 18, 2006

Posted on 04/18/2006 12:56:16 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch

This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," April 17, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: A movement calling for Mexico to take over America's Southwest to create a new nation called Aztlan has entered the immigration debate. Supporters of this movement participated in the recent nationwide immigration protest.

The Web site ImmigrationWatchdog.com has produced a three-minute videotape of speeches by Hispanic professors and elected officials making reference to Aztlan.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are not immigrants that came from another country to another country. We are migrants free to travel the length and breadth of the Americas, because we belong here.

We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They're dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLMES: Joining us now, the man behind ImmigrationWatchdog.com, Brook Young.

Mr. Young, The Washington Times had a story on this whole movement just yesterday and quoted a number of people allegedly in this moment, and they say these are just fringe people. This is not what they're doing. This is really an effort on the part of anti-immigrant forces like yourself to gin up people's emotions in terms of there being a movement that really doesn't exist except on the far fringe.

BROOK YOUNG, IMMIGRATIONWATCHDOG.COM: Oh. Well, there's definitely a movement. This isn't a fringe movement. These are college professors speaking in this video. This is them. This is their voices. This is what they believe in. It's what they teach. These are political leaders of the Latino leaders.

COLMES: I'd like to know who's doing this. Fredrico Rangel of the University of Colorado. He's an officer at MEChA. And he says that this is a.....

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TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; aztlan; illegals; immigrantlist; rally; tanklan
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To: RJS1950

You are incorrect. Mexico gained its independence from Spain in 1820 or so. The Texas Revolution was 1836, the Mexican War was in 1847, as I recall. These territories were acquired from Mexico, not Spaion.


21 posted on 04/18/2006 1:15:20 PM PDT by bagman
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To: RJS1950
Timeline of the formation of New Mexico:

1841 Texas soldiers invade New Mexico and claim all land east of the Rio Grande. Efforts thwarted by Gov. Manuel Armijo.

1846 Mexican-American War begins. Stephen Watts Kearny annexes New Mexico to the United States.

1847 Taos Rebellion against the U.S. military. Gov. Chat Charles Bent killed.

1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ends Mexican-American War.

1850 New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona, southern Colorado, southern Utah, and southern Nevada) is designated a territory but denied statehood.

1851 Bishop Jean Baptiste Lamy arrives in New Mexico and establishes schools, hospitals and orphanages throughout the territory

1854 The Gadsden Purchase front Mexico adds 45,000 square miles to the territory

1861 Confederates invade New Mexico front Texas. The Confederate Territory of Arizona is declared with the capital at La Mesilla. Territory of Colorado is created. New Mexico loses extreme northern-most section to the new territory

1862 Battles of Velarde de and Glorieta Pass fought, ends confederate occupation of New Mexico.

1863-68 Known as the "Long Walk," Navajos and Apaches are relocated to Bosque Redondo: finally allowed to return to their homelands after thousands die of disease and starvation.

1863 New Mexico is partitioned in half. Territory of Arizona is created.

1878 The railroad arrives in New Mexico, opening full-scale trade and migration from the east and midwest. Lincoln County War erupts in southeast New Mexico

http://www.ppsa.com/magazine/NMtimeline.html

The treaty of Hidalgo was with Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo

22 posted on 04/18/2006 1:16:07 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: cotton1706
Newsflash to these idiots. First we took the land in a war...

They realize this. They're fighting the second Mexican American War, and given the response of our political "leaders" to date, they've won the intial battles.

23 posted on 04/18/2006 1:16:36 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Yo quiero secure borders.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Wow, what blatant sedition.


24 posted on 04/18/2006 1:18:28 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: originalbuckeye
The bleeding hearts that make up the higher percentage of California voters always vote these guys into office.

A good number of these 'bleeding heart' voters were legalized in the last amnesty. The state that elected Reagan twice would NEVER elect him thesee days.

The brainstems in the GOP should consider that before voting thru another amnesty.

25 posted on 04/18/2006 1:18:54 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SwinneySwitch

THIS is like YOU building up a business that your father had, but you ended up running.....and then some half sister coming in and saying....well....now IT SHOULD BE MINE! Sheesh.....can you imagine if New Mexico WAS turned over to the Mexican's? What a he**hole it would become....in no time. THEY come here for what WE HAVE BUILT! NOT for what THEY CAN BUILD.


26 posted on 04/18/2006 1:19:25 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: SwinneySwitch

There is American precedent.

According to the telephone ticket sales clerks at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996, they could not sell Olympic tickets to people in New Mexico because the telephone sales were restricted to American (USA) customers only. Foreign customers had to use mail order.


27 posted on 04/18/2006 1:19:32 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: RJS1950
1821 Mexico declares independence from Spain. Santa Fe Trail opened to international trade.
1828 First major gold discovery in western U. S. made in Ortiz Mountains south of Santa Fe.
1837 Chimayo Revolt against Mexican taxation leads to the assassination of Gov. Albino Perez and top officials.
1841 Texas soldiers invade New Mexico and claim all land east of the Rio Grande. Efforts thwarted by Gov. Manuel Armijo.
1846 Mexican-American War begins. Stephen Watts Kearny annexes New Mexico to the United States.
1847 Taos Rebellion against the U.S. military. Gov. Chat Charles Bent killed.
1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ends Mexican-American War.
1850 New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona, southern Colorado, southern Utah, and southern Nevada) is designated a territory but denied statehood.


Really the Mexicans did little to control these lands after independence from Spain. The argument that Mexico is still the legitimate owner of these lands is a joke, but that is probably what is being taught in school these days.
28 posted on 04/18/2006 1:19:52 PM PDT by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to a Red State! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
You'd be suprised at how many Americans think New Mexico IS part of Mexico.
29 posted on 04/18/2006 1:22:47 PM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: brytlea
As well they should be. And for the record, I would rather give them CA than NM!

Pretty much already has happened my friend. This is not the same state I was proud to have been born in.

30 posted on 04/18/2006 1:23:44 PM PDT by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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To: truth_seeker

Yes, I did vote for Arnold, too. How long ago were the 187 and 209 votes? And what did the courts do with those propositions? How many conservatives are in high office in California right now? I voted for Arnold because I am a realist. I absolutely did not want Bustamente to be Governor. Sadly, I knew that Tom McClintock couldn't win. Arnold won because Repubs and Indys voted for him. The Indys here generally vote for the Dems. The bleeding hearts didn't vote in either of those props. And for the last time, Arnold may say he's a Repub but he's really only the closest thing that can win a statewide election here.


31 posted on 04/18/2006 1:23:59 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: brytlea
I am not sure giving California to Mexico would work because California would surly bankrupt Mexico in a couple of years!
32 posted on 04/18/2006 1:25:00 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: Nachum

You left out the part about General Winfield Scott and His right hand man Capitan Robert E Lee who invaded Mexico, crossed the country and captured Mexico City. It was a combined arms engagement involving the US Army, the US Navy and the Marine Corps. The Marines celebrate the event with their hymn "From the halls of Montezuma......"

General Scott licked the dictator Santa Ana on his home turf and was offered the position of King of Mexico but he turned it down.


33 posted on 04/18/2006 1:27:42 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: RJS1950

I was just making the point that I like NM alot more than CA. I don't think we should give them anything. Well, except maybe 20 million of their own citizens back.
susie


34 posted on 04/18/2006 1:28:28 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: SwinneySwitch

We should give it back to the Aztecs, or which ever Native American population the early Mexicans slaughtered into non-existence.


35 posted on 04/18/2006 1:29:10 PM PDT by Blzbba (Beauty is just a light switch away...)
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To: bert
General Scott licked the dictator Santa Ana on his home turf and was offered the position of King of Mexico but he turned it down.

It's a pity that he didn't become the king. The Mexican people would have been better off. :)

36 posted on 04/18/2006 1:29:13 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: calex59

I guess I wasn't clear. Need a little sarcasm smilie.
susie


37 posted on 04/18/2006 1:29:17 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: CAP811

Yes, I know. I was just back in NM for a month. Forgot how much I love that state, altho it's changed alot too.
susie


38 posted on 04/18/2006 1:30:06 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: SwinneySwitch

No....but California, on the other hand....hmmmmmm??!!


39 posted on 04/18/2006 1:30:23 PM PDT by LilDarlin (Being very feminine got me this far; it will take me the rest of the way, too!)
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To: originalbuckeye

The California voters overwhelmingly approved 187 but
rotten liberals and groups like the ACLU, Mecha and the the rest sued in court for it not to take effect.

Gray Davis was the governor (or lack thereof). He had an obligation under California law to defend the law in court as the voters passed it. He didn't. He let it roll into the dirt into oblivion. I am sure that there is something that can be done to revive it, but I don't know what or who would do something since it seems that the California legislature is derelict and everyone in it should be charged with malfeasance of office. Davis should have been after screwing the voters on 187.


40 posted on 04/18/2006 1:30:43 PM PDT by atruelady
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