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Seven Days in April -- Generals Prepare to 'Revolt' Against Rumsfeld
Real Clear Politics ^ | April 18, 2006 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 04/18/2006 5:28:03 AM PDT by conservativecorner

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To: 13Sisters76
"This is left wing politics as usual."

We should all be happy. If they weren't pounding on Rummy, they'd be pounding on someone else.

And pounding on Rummy is like pounding a rock pile.

May their hands bruise and bleed.

61 posted on 04/18/2006 7:08:25 AM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: meandog
(Remember his flippant "You go into battle with the Army you've got sergeant!" made to the National Guardsman complaining about lack of armor in Iraq?)

Remember the days when the Army didn't have body armor? How about the times it didn't have socks? This whole no armor cry is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have heard in a long long time.

62 posted on 04/18/2006 7:08:38 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: dfwgator

I'm not following you...explain?


63 posted on 04/18/2006 7:09:30 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: conservativecorner

Agreed. Rumsfeld is the oldest and youngest SecDef in history.


64 posted on 04/18/2006 7:09:52 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ChinaThreat
Can you tell me what is wrong with the statement "You go to war with the Army you have." Its the truth...

When it is made to soldiers who are rummaging through landfills for discarded metal to use as armor on APCs to protect against IEDs that are killing your buddies it is not only BLATANTLY WRONG, it is BLATANTLY STUPID...

...from NEWS RELEASES from the United States Department of Defense just this morning:

No. 325-06 IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Apr 17, 2006 Media Contact: Marine Corps Public Affairs - (703) 614-4309
Public/Industry(703)428-0711
DoD Identifies Marine Casualties The Department of Defense announced today the death of four Marines who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Lance Cpl. Derrick J. Cothran, 21, of Avondale, La.
Cpl. Pablo V. Mayorga, 33, of Margate, Fla.
Lance Cpl. Justin D. Sims, 22, of Covington, Ky.
Pfc. Ryan G. Winslow, 19, of Jefferson, Ala.

All four Marines died April 15 when their HMMWV struck an improvised explosive device during combat operations in Al Anbar province, Iraq. Cothran, Mayorga, and Winslow were all assigned to the 2nd Tank Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Lejeune, N.C. Sims was assigned to 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Like you pointed out, some people have a hard time with reality Apparently you are one of them.

65 posted on 04/18/2006 7:11:10 AM PDT by meandog (Mohammad was not a prophet but a pedophile!)
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To: conservativecorner

I understand that there are hundreds of retired generals and admirals, so these are just a handful. Iny any event, Rumsfeld has done a superb job. We are lucky to have him serving.


66 posted on 04/18/2006 7:11:16 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: gogeo

Patton was no fan of FDR, and probably had the largest ego in the entire history of the US Military. Yet even though he disagreed with the brass, he did his job, and didn't complain to the media. If he disagreed, he expressed himself privately.


67 posted on 04/18/2006 7:11:59 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: conservativecorner

Civilian control is essential to a free society.

Follow orders or retire/resign, you have no other options.


68 posted on 04/18/2006 7:13:25 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Rokke
"" "Dumsfeld" (his Pentagon moniker) is the most hated SECDEF by the military since McNamara!"

While I've been a supporter of Rumsfeld, I've come across a few military folks that are not happy with him. Their criticism stems more from his "transformation" vision than the Iraq strategy and execution. He is not well liked by SF people.

69 posted on 04/18/2006 7:13:26 AM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: X180A
Once retired, he becomes nothing more than a loud, informed, critic just like any other US citizen.

If only that were true. Currently, the US Military enjoys very high favorability and trust ratings by the US public. Colin Powell is the most admired man in America. A retired flag officer is not just like any other citizen. Whe he/she speaks, people listen.

70 posted on 04/18/2006 7:14:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Rokke
Sorry, but you simply have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None...

...and I presume you do?

71 posted on 04/18/2006 7:14:53 AM PDT by meandog (Mohammad was not a prophet but a pedophile!)
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To: conservativecorner

Just what IS the "strategy" behind this, other than more general muck-raking aimed at this Administration?

The more Generals that come out against Rumsfeld, the LESS likely it will be that President Bush would accept his resignation. For one thing, Rumsfeld has submitted it TWICE and the President has refused it both times.

For another, when you poke the White House, they always dig their heels in and resist with more might. If Rumsfeld were to resign now, it would look like a victory for the left, and I don't see them allowing that to happen. At least while Karl Rove is still breathing. ;)

Wait a minute...is this another Karl Rove Rope-a-Dope? LOL!


72 posted on 04/18/2006 7:15:04 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ARCADIA

Why replace Rumsfeld in the middle of a war we are winning?


73 posted on 04/18/2006 7:15:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: meandog
So you are complaining that Humvees are not tanks? If you were in WWII, would you be complaining about how FDR failed to put armor on jeeps?
74 posted on 04/18/2006 7:20:04 AM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: armydawg1

They didnt get appointed to their positions because of family connections or payments. They worked their way up a demanding and tough ladder of promotions. There is very little chance they will throw it all away to play lapdog to the media.


BS, lots of generals got where they are by kissing ass.


75 posted on 04/18/2006 7:20:36 AM PDT by superfries
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To: meandog

The quote is :

"As you know, you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want, You can have all the armor in the world on a tank, and it can [still] be blown up."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/08/rumsfeld.troops/

Sorry but that's the way it is. Same story that applied to our tanks in WWII - Send out seven Shermans to get a Tiger, hope you get some back - My uncle had 3 Shermans shot out from under him. He never complained about it.

War sucks, put the microphones away and go back to kickin' the bad guys A$$es.


76 posted on 04/18/2006 7:21:41 AM PDT by NAVY84
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To: Jim Noble
I am amazed that now when "career military" are critical of a failed Bush policy (and have been seen day one), they are now traitors.

I remember senior military saying that more troops would be needed to secure Iraq after Saddam's fall. The Bush neocons told us "not so" our troops will be "greeted as hero's" and to an extent that was true, but without troops to prevent looting and maintain order the good will evaportated. With 20/20 hindsight it is now clear the professional military was correct and the neocons wrong.

What is maddening is the neocons will not admit/learn from their errors and continue to PERSONALLY ATTACT and destroy (just like Clinton) any and all critics.

The magnitude of the failure will soon be apparent as no one will trust this administration to deal with Iran. And Iran is a far more dangerous problem for the usa then Iraq ever was.

The usa is risking total defeat in a general war in the middle east.

A coup in Patistan could change the balance of power, Turkey is a wild card. Iran is attempting to become the Islamic super power, Iran needs a confrontation with the usa to achieve it goals. It is 1913 all over again and we had better get our ducks in a row fast. Russia is once again no friend, dido China. Both are backing Iran.

77 posted on 04/18/2006 7:22:44 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: cookcounty
"I've come across a few military folks that are not happy with him. Their criticism stems more from his "transformation" vision than the Iraq strategy and execution."

They are most likely Army. His "transformation" vision is fundamentally changing how the Army will do business. But that is long overdue and for some reason, only the Army has been unwilling to initiate those changes on its own. Somebody had to kick them into gear. Fortunately, Rumsfeld was willing to take the inevitable heat for getting the ball rolling. He can take it.

78 posted on 04/18/2006 7:25:08 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: meandog
"...and I presume you do?"

That's a safe bet.

79 posted on 04/18/2006 7:26:00 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Jim Noble
But, as I said, there are all kinds of leaders, but one of the problems with THAT particular style is that when things go south, you don't have any friends to help you out.

It is indeed interesting that these few disgruntled generals have a problem with Rumsfeld's leadership style. Read Rumsfeld's impressive resume. With his long and proven record of achievement and success in the public and private sectors, Rumsfeld is not the one to be lectured on how to manage and lead.

He has been a 4 term Congressman, WH Chief of Staff, SecDef twice, NATO and OECD ambassador, Chief Executive Officer, President, and then Chairman of G.D. Searle & Co., a worldwide pharmaceutical company, and CEO of two other conmpanies, and honored as Outstanding Chief Executive Officer in the Pharmaceutical Industry. He chaired the bipartisan U.S. Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, in 1998, and the U.S. Commission to Assess National Security Space Management and Organization, in 2000. He has served on numerous commissions and panels. Does this sound like someone who doesn't know how to manage people and resources?

I might add that Rumsfeld served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. In 1957, he transferred to the Ready Reserve and continued his Naval service in flying and administrative assignments as a drilling reservist until 1975. He transferred to the Standby Reserve when he became Secretary of Defense in 1975 and to the Retired Reserve with the rank of Captain in 1989.

80 posted on 04/18/2006 7:27:18 AM PDT by kabar
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