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Do you even know what the PRESIDENT has said HE wants from Immigration reform? Most posters who are all lathered about what 'Bush stands for' don't seem to even know what he has proposed. All this screaming about 'amnesty' and 'letting criminals go free', is NOT what the President has proposed....

The question is, do YOU know? Sounds like you don't. See my post above, #36. When you're done reading about the terrorists coming into our Country, via the porous border that your pretend doesn't exist, you might want to read what Senator Sessions has to say; after that, you might want to read about the plan made by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

SEN. SESSIONS ON SECURING USA BORDERS ACT [Hagel-Martinez Was A Loophole-Ridden Deception]
Senate Web ^ | April 6, 2006 | Senator Sessions

SENATOR SESSIONS ON SECURING AMERICA'S BORDERS ACT

Loophole 8: The bill benefits only those who broke the law, not those who followed it and got work visas to come to the United States. That is a plain fact. If you were here legally on or before April 5, 2001, you will not get the benefit of this amnesty. This amnesty benefits you only if you came here illegally.
Loophole 9: The essential worker permanent immigration program for nonagriculture low-skilled workers leaves no illegal alien out. It is not limited to people outside the United States who want to come here to work in the future but includes illegal aliens currently present in the United States who do not qualify for the amnesty program in title VI, including aliens here for less than 2 years. Under the bill language, you can qualify for this new program to work as a low-skilled permanent immigrant even if you are unlawfully present in the United States.
The bill specifically states:
In determining the alien's admissibility as an H-2C .....
The program is specifically intended to apply to absconders. There are 400,000 absconders out there now that we are trying to apprehend and trying to deport. They have been ordered deported yet they absconded; illegal aliens who were in removal proceedings and signed a voluntary departure agreement but never left, many of them did that, and illegal aliens already removed from the United States but who have come back.

CFR's Plan to Integrate the U.S., Mexico and Canada [Bye Bye USA]
Eagle Forum ^ | July 13, 2005 | Phyllis Schlafly

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has just let the cat out of the bag about what's really behind our trade agreements and security partnerships with the other North American countries. A 59-page CFR document spells out a five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter."
"Community" means integrating the United States with the corruption, socialism, poverty and population of Mexico and Canada. "Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada.
"Community" is sometimes called "space" but the CFR goal is clear: "a common economic space ... for all people in the region, a space in which trade, capital, and people flow freely." The CFR's "integrated" strategy calls for "a more open border for the movement of goods and people."
The CFR document lays "the groundwork for the freer flow of people within North America." The "common security perimeter" will require us to "harmonize visa and asylum regulations" with Mexico and Canada, "harmonize entry screening," and "fully share data about the exit and entry of foreign nationals."
This CFR document, called "Building a North American Community," asserts that George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "committed their governments" to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" and assigned "working groups" to fill in the details.
It was at this same meeting, grandly called the North American summit, that President Bush pinned the epithet "vigilantes" on the volunteers guarding our border in Arizona.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Without debating your comments as to the CFR article. Yes, I am a free trader. As to the loopholes. Those loopholes can be fixed in Conference. No one is thinking that the Senate Bill is going to be the final product. The provisions that you are concerned about will be addressed there. The House members will demand it. The important thing is to get to the two bill to conference and start hammering out the differences.

I was referring to the President's speech about what he expects from Immigration reform. It didn't sound much like what folks have been claiming about his views that I've been reading here on FR the last few weeks. I think people have gotten themselves worked up about it based on mis-information, and are attributing ideas to the President and bashing him for them, when they may not be his.