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The Generals' revolt
WND ^ | Ap 15 06 | Buchanan

Posted on 04/15/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by churchillbuff

In just two weeks, six retired U.S. Marine and Army generals have denounced the Pentagon planning for the war in Iraq and called for the resignation or firing of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, who travels often to Iraq and supports the war, says that the generals mirror the views of 75 percent of the officers in the field, and probably more.

This is not a Cindy Sheehan moment.

This is a vote of no confidence in the leadership of the U.S. armed forces by senior officers once responsible for carrying out the orders of that leadership. It is hard to recall a situation in history where retired U.S. Army and Marine Corps generals, almost all of whom had major commands in a war yet under way, denounced the civilian leadership and called on the president to fire his secretary for war.

As those generals must be aware, their revolt cannot but send a message to friend and enemy alike that the U.S. high command is deeply divided, that U.S. policy is floundering, that the loss of Iraq impends if the civilian leadership at the Pentagon is not changed.

The generals have sent an unmistakable message to Commander in Chief George W. Bush: Get rid of Rumsfeld, or you will lose the war.

Columnist Ignatius makes that precise point:

"Rumsfeld should resign because the administration is losing the war on the home front. As bad as things are in Baghdad, America won't be defeated there militarily. But it may be forced into a hasty and chaotic retreat by mounting domestic opposition to its policy. Much of the American public has simply stopped believing the administration's arguments about Iraq, and Rumsfeld is a symbol of that credibility gap. He is a spent force. ..."

With the exception of Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, the former head of Central Command who opposed the Bush-Rumsfeld rush to war, the other generals did not publicly protest until secure in retirement. Nevertheless, they bring imposing credentials to their charges against the defense secretary.

Major Gen. Paul Eaton, first of the five rebels to speak out, was in charge of training Iraqi forces until 2004. He blames Rumsfeld for complicating the U.S. mission by alienating our NATO allies.

Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs up to the eve of war, charges Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith with a "casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions – or bury the results."

Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who commanded the Army's 1st Division in Iraq, charges that Rumsfeld does not seek nor does he accept the counsel of field commanders. Maj. Gen. John Riggs echoes Batiste. This directly contradicts what President Bush has told the nation.

Maj. Gen. Charles J. Swannack, former field commander of the 82nd Airborne, believes we can create a stable government in Iraq, but says Rumsfeld has mismanaged the war.

As of Good Friday, the Generals' Revolt has created a crisis for President Bush. If he stands by Rumsfeld, he will have taken his stand against generals whose credibility today is higher than his own.

But if he bows to the Generals' Revolt and dismisses Rumsfeld, the generals will have effected a Pentagon putsch. An alumni association of retired generals will have dethroned civilian leadership and forced the commander in chief to fire the architect of a war upon which not only Bush's place in history depends, but the U.S. position in the Middle East and the world. The commander in chief will have been emasculated by retired generals. The stakes could scarcely be higher.

Whatever one thinks of the Iraq war, dismissal of Rumsfeld in response to a clamor created by ex-generals would mark Bush as a weak if not fatally compromised president. He will have capitulated to a generals' coup. Will he then have to clear Rumsfeld's successor with them?

Bush will begin to look like Czar Nicholas in 1916.

And there is an unstated message of the Generals' Revolt. If Iraq collapses in chaos and sectarian war, and is perceived as another U.S. defeat, they are saying: We are not going to carry the can. The first volley in a "Who Lost Iraq?" war of recriminations has been fired.

In 1951, Gen. MacArthur, the U.S. commander in Korea, defied Harry Truman by responding to a request from GOP House leader Joe Martin to describe his situation. MacArthur said the White House had tied his hands in fighting the war.

Though MacArthur spoke the truth and the no-win war in Korea would kill Truman's presidency, the general was fired. But MacArthur was right to speak the truth about the war his soldiers were being forced to fight, a war against a far more numerous enemy who enjoyed a privileged sanctuary above the Yalu River, thanks to Harry Truman.

In the last analysis, the Generals' Revolt is not just against Rumsfeld, but is aimed at the man who appointed him and has stood by him for three years of a guerrilla war the Pentagon did not predict or expect.


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To: churchillbuff

As usual, Pat hops on the bandwagon of these loser general officers. CNN loves these guys and good old brainless Pat loves anyone who knocks President Bush and his cabinet. Pat should stick to his day job of being the comedian on the McGlaughlin Group.


21 posted on 04/15/2006 8:29:04 AM PDT by hgro
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I haven't heard of generals with this much spine since MacArthur. In Vietnam, the White House micromanaged the war and kept us from winning it, but he generals (who must have been furious) kept quiet. These Iraq WAr generals are showing more backbone.


22 posted on 04/15/2006 8:29:08 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

According to you and several other Bush-haters.


23 posted on 04/15/2006 8:29:20 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: churchillbuff
Oh, gee. What do six generals out of thousands know about war?

Let's ask the liberals in the drive-by media who've fabricated this little exercise, shall we?

24 posted on 04/15/2006 8:29:22 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: churchillbuff
MacArthur was relieved of his command by Truman. MacArthur wanted to go into China. Most Generals don't like civilian control, but that's the way we've always done it...
25 posted on 04/15/2006 8:29:46 AM PDT by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

What it sounds like to me is, someone didn't like being passed over for that extra star.


26 posted on 04/15/2006 8:30:13 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: nevergore

"5 generals out of several hundred retired generals/admirals is hardly an issue...."
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Actually its a few thousand.....

Rumsfeld himself had about the same reply to these Generals....basically...its big deal what they say.

Monday morning quarterbacking is all it is......useless, except to aid and abet and enourage the enemy...and the democrats.

I'm glad Bush is supportive of Rumsfeld and caving to these self aggrandizing idiots.


27 posted on 04/15/2006 8:30:44 AM PDT by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: hgro
these loser general officers. ""

"Losers"? THey presided over the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Are you saying it's a loss? That's what your statement implies -- that they lost the war.

28 posted on 04/15/2006 8:30:45 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
More to the point, however is the following:

Since this is, by your estimation, a "botched war," perhaps you should tell us who else has been able to take two countries with under three thousand casualties.

The idiocy of this meme is illustrated by the fact that even in the ancient world it didn't happen.

29 posted on 04/15/2006 8:31:16 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: All
This BS should be printed on the following. This is the perfect place/use for the drive by shooting lies about GW like this BS.


30 posted on 04/15/2006 8:31:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Laverne

Maj. Gen. John Batiste was offered three stars if he returned to command in Iraq, but refused because he didn't want to 'work with' Rumsfeld anymore.


31 posted on 04/15/2006 8:31:33 AM PDT by AntiGuv (The 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: fizziwig

Correction....

Rumsfeld himself had about the same reply to these Generals....basically....its NO big deal what they say.


32 posted on 04/15/2006 8:32:01 AM PDT by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: fizziwig
I'm glad Bush is supportive of Rumsfeld ""

Yes, he hasn't been so supportive of an administration official since he said "Brownie" was doing a "Great job" at KAtrina.

33 posted on 04/15/2006 8:32:08 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Pat cites another great general, MacArthur, who also had the courage to blow the whistle on incompetent civilian "leadership"

MacArthur, for all of his military brilliance, was an ignoramus when it came to understanding the proper relationship between civilian control of the military, and he openly defied President Harry Truman in Korea, calling for expanded military operations against the Communist Chinese at a time when the U.S. nuclear deterrent consisted of no more than 13 atomic bombs of slightly improved Fat Man design, and those weapons were needed in the event Stalin decided to invade Western Europe, not to be applied against wave after human wave of Communist Chinese troops who would have overwhelmed the U.S./U.N. forces in Korea, and literally driven them to the sea. MacArthur did not know that, Truman did.

Make no mistake, I consider MacArthur a patriot, but he was unable to accept the fact that it was the President, not the generals in the field, who Constitutionally have the authority to make decisions as to how the military is utilized.

As for Buchanan, for all his historical knowledge and political comprehension, he has lost most of the credibility that he once had, which is why most Buchanan articles receive the comment "Pat, can we hear that in the original German?"

America is at war, and contrary to what these disgruntled officers are piping up with, the war will not be won or lost depending upon who is the SecDef, and Rumsfeld is THE most qualified SecDef we've had in there for over a decade.

I stand with Rummy.
34 posted on 04/15/2006 8:32:13 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: unionblue83
Hey, Rummy ain't perfect, but I'll take him over any of these lame-brained generals who retire then criticize. Time to lay it on the line is when you are THERE, not later after you QUIT because you didn't get it the way you wanted it. I'm glad Rummy ran off these losers, and I hope he can find a way to make 'em pay. He should recall them to active duty and put them in charge of cleaning the ladies' latrines or something, then they would have a reason to bit**. Other than that, STFU losers!!
35 posted on 04/15/2006 8:32:42 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: churchillbuff

Care to define what you mean by "spine"?


36 posted on 04/15/2006 8:33:00 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: mkjessup
Make no mistake, I consider MacArthur a patriot, ""

So do I, and he performed an eternal service by letting Americans know that Truman was sending their sons to die without a commitment to win the war.

37 posted on 04/15/2006 8:34:29 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: nevergore
" ... It's laughable at best...."


One hundred percent correct!




38 posted on 04/15/2006 8:35:09 AM PDT by G.Mason (Bye-bye Miss American Dream ... Drove my Chevy to the levy and I got my clock cleaned ...)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Care to define what you mean by "spine"?"""

Courage. The courage to tell hard truths about the mismanagement of this war -- knowing that they'd be ganged up on by Bush-bots.

39 posted on 04/15/2006 8:35:41 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Bush cannot afford to fire Rumsfeld. Nor will Rumsfeld resign.

I'm not sure what the generals are trying to achieve. It could be to let the public know that a lot of senior military on active duty despise Rumsfeld and do not trust his judgment.

It could also just be disgust venting.

Rumsfeld at this point is already a lame duck SecDef. Congress doesn't respect his opinions enough to care about what he says on acquisition. The brass are digging in their heels to slow any changes he wants to make until after he leaves. He's already lost the fight to 'transform' the military - look at the QDR.

Rumsfeld was good for the military during his first 3 years or so - there was a lot of shaking up to do. However, he's outlived his usefulness. Unfortunately, he doesn't realize that.


40 posted on 04/15/2006 8:35:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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