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Posted on 04/13/2006 5:09:07 PM PDT by lancer256
There is only one group of people with less credibility on the immigration issue than Washington politicians. It is the illegal immigrants protesting violations of their "rights" while parading the Mexican flag and disrespecting the one symbolizing the great nation from which they're demanding favors.
I'm not talking about all demonstrators in every city in which a march occurred. Some were reportedly peaceful and even patriotic. But the hostility of some protestors did more to galvanize apathetic Americans into demanding action on immigration than all the previous alarm-warnings from politicians and pundits combined.
Nothing awakens the sleeping giant like direct threats to her sovereignty and security. And it was hard not to feel violated by the outrageous spectacle of people making demands on the very system they have circumvented instead of demonstrating some humility, if not contrition.
On the other hand, it's not hard to understand their attitude, given our shameful negligence concerning the integrity of our border and the rule of law. We hardly have clean hands either, considering our enforcement laxity and our Faustian bargain to reap the fruit of the poisonous tree by exploiting the cheap labor illegals provide. We don't even have enough respect for our laws to call violators "illegals," insisting on the euphemism undocumented workers.
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Check Borjas more recent report..
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back504.html
Among this Backgrounder’s findings:
• By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent.
• Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent.
• The 10 million native-born workers without a high school degree face the most competition from immigrants, as do the eight million younger natives with only a high school education and 12 million younger college graduates.
• The negative effect on native-born black and Hispanic workers is significantly larger than on whites because a much larger share of minorities are in direct competition with immigrants.
• The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent
or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.
I recognize you very well.
Just signed up on FR and already 30 posts in 2 hours.
So, who's paying you to post here?
Or ... what is your vested interest in supporting the illegal invasion?
The trolls on these threads always have a vested interest.
And please stop trying to pass yourself off as a "conservative."
We do not need more cheap labor. Wages have already declined substantially in low-wage occupations. Check the research by Borjas, Briggs, etc.
And by the way, illegal alien labor is massively subsidized.
It wasn't a "debate" you started, just a silly strawman. #394 exposed the faulty logic.
and they're not because they're afraid of being grouped in together with them by people who don't know any better. You do realize that in the past the US has deported US citizens back to Mexico because of their descent.
It has nothing to do with race for them, you're right. It has everything to do with self preservation.
Some of the people on this board though, I am not so sure of.
In Mexico, not in the U.S.
HAHAHAHAHA.
La Enchiladita...
If it looks like a TROLL, posts like a TROLL and tag-teams with other TROLLS... well then heavens it must be a .....
(drum roll)....
TROLL!
; )
Before you say something that makes you look like a xenophobe again, try looking it up before you say it.
Spanish is the official language of at least New Mexico. http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:kWgIMHGZvi4J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_in_the_United_States+official+language+of+texas&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
fair enough, but I never argued that an increase in labor supply would not decrease wages in the short term. However, what it DOES do is improve our businesses' competitiveness with foreign businesses, reduce the cost of living for ALL Americans (while reducing wages for some), and again, in the long run, a larger market means more specialization, and more productivity. Envision, if you will, a society with only one person. That person is pretty much stuck in terms of career opportunities: they can grow their own food, make their own clothing, etc., none of them very productively. Add another person, and one can focus on growing food, another on making clothing, they can trade, and productivity increases. Add another, and you may just have room for some new occupations, new goods and services to be provided by the market. When you increase the size of the market, everyone benefits in the long run, even if there is a little short term pain. In fact, that's the thinking behind ALL free trade policy.
And when did the plight of the worker become the primary concern of the Republican Party?
Hey rolling stone, you know your stuff!
One other point:
Even if amnesty did not lead to a new wave of illegal immigration, legalizing illegals hurts the employment opportunities of low-skilled workers.
Americans still get somewhat higher wages for unskilled work on average than illegal aliens.
So illegal aliens are "to some extent" glutting the labor pool, but not completely so, because the labor pool of American workers still has some slight edge over the labor pool of illegal aliens.
Give illegals amnesty, and then it is all the same labor pool. That means wages will go toward some weighted average of the existing legal and illegal labor pools, which means that American workers in low-skilled occupations will see declining wages as a DIRECT consequence of the legalization of the illegal workers.
and of course, there will also be the indirect effect of flooding the labor pool with yet a huge new glut of low-skilled workers consisting of the new flood of illegal aliens who will be motivated to enter the country on account of the amnesty.
typo, my apologies. As you will notice, the keys are right next to one another.
Rubbish.
BTW, when did you learn to spell?
The republic would be dead long before that. It would either be destroyed by civil war or be voted into a tyranny. Both are likely if the left invites another 40 million Latin Americans into their base. Revolution and protest are endemic in their cultural mindset. Huge protests happen every week over every issue imaginable in Mexico and points south. With a mere 10 million more Dem voters no amount of outrage could outvote them. And they, along with our own leftists, would vote everything they want from the national treasury.
If I may add some wisdom here. I do find that immigration that is well regulated, is a wonderful thing. After all as an English lad, I applied to come to America. No go. I had not got the qualifications-1954. It, of course was THEIR (your country). I then went to Canada.
I have found that if a small number of new persons come to someone's community, it will work. On the other hand, if persons come to that community and produce drastic changes, it hurts. If their numbers overwhelm the original population, it is often unfair and nasty.
This is a basic fact(there he goes again with his cliches). Apply the results of massive infusion of new immigrants; and those who live in exclusive districts, tend to criticise the hard pressed locals. Insular they are.
Let's hear more of your fantasies about Spanish being THE official language of several states. You only named one, and you're wrong on that one.
You can't name any others?
I'm not going to use your links either. You have to post your documentation.
Documents make things legal, you know...
From your link:
"In New Mexico, both Spanish and English have the status of official language. Although Spanish is not the most-spoken language in any one U.S. state, it is the second most-spoken language in 43 states and in the District of Columbia."
It DOES NOT say that Spanish is the official language of New Mexico... it says it has "status" of official lanquage, but is NOT the mos spoken in ANY US STATE!
Perhaps you need some remedial reading courses.... in ENGLISH!
They've never placed themselves under its jurisdiction.
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