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George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?

On June 15, Sen. George Allen (R-Virginia) horrified his constituents when he cast a vote against family values by adding “sexual orientation” to the Federal Hate Crimes Act. Sen. Allen’s support of the homosexual lobby directly contradicts his promise during his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2000 to oppose pro-homosexual legislation.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5883/CFI/family/index.htm

Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) opposes same-sex marriage but has yet to join his GOP colleagues who have come out in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment
http://www.washblade.com/2004/4-16/news/localnews/moran.cfm

Human Events Online wanted to know where Senate Republicans stood on open borders/amnesty, so it asked them:

The key question: Will the Senate approve an amnesty for illegal aliens?

The editors of Human Events define amnesty as granting any kind of legal residency status to an illegal alien without first making him return to his home country.

The immigration bill passed by the House in December does not include an amnesty.

Last week, we asked all 55 Republican senators (via their press secretaries): “Will you rule out voting this year for an immigration reform bill that converts illegal immigrants to legal guest workers without making them return to their home countries first?”

Most did not answer our question, but several senators did respond. We intend to keep asking. You can, too, by using the contact information below.

Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals.
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/

Based on this, I'd say that George Allen is not the sort of conservative that we need to nominate in 2008, and that if he was to be nominated, I would not vote for him.
11 posted on 04/13/2006 12:05:43 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Old_Mil
Most did not answer our question, but several senators did respond. We intend to keep asking. You can, too, by using the contact information below. Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals. http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/

I heard George Allen address the issue of illegal immigration just last week and he stated that he is opposed to any amnesty.

19 posted on 04/13/2006 12:13:02 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Old_Mil

There is NOBODY perfect enough for you, right? so you gonna elect a Dem?


37 posted on 04/13/2006 12:35:20 PM PDT by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! NOW.... PLEASE STAY THE COURSE!)
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To: Old_Mil

Interesting that you quote the Washington Blade. But the information is correct. That article is from April of 2004

Allen voted for the Marriage Amendment in July 2004.


38 posted on 04/13/2006 12:35:29 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Old_Mil
Accoding to Americans for Better Immigration there are 19 Seantors with better records on immigration. The list:

A
Vitter, David (R-LA) - 94%
Bunning, Jim (R-KY) - 90%
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) - 90%

A-
Chambliss, Saxby (R-GA) - 86%
Shelby, Richard (R-AL) - 86%

B+
Talent, James (R-MO) - 85%
Coburn, Tom (R-OK) - 84%
Inhofe, James (R-OK) - 84%
Roberts, Pat (R-KS) - 84%
Kyl, Jon (R-AZ) - 83%
Thomas, Craig (R-WY) - 82%

B
Burr, Richard (R-NC) - 80%
Grassley, Charles (R-IA) - 79%
Isakson, Johnny (R-GA) - 78%
Crapo, Michael (R-ID) - 73%
DeMint, James (R-SC) - 73%

B-
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC) - 67%
Thune, John (R-SD) - 67%
Craig, Larry (R-ID) - 61%

C+

Allen, George (R-VA) - 58%
Sununu, John (R-NH) - 57%

41 posted on 04/13/2006 12:37:03 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Old_Mil
Richard Nixon was an ultra-liberal who ran as a conservative. IMHO, he fooled the electorate, particularly Republicans that elected him. The thing of it is is the Republican Party in those days was just starting to get its conservative bearing.

I don't know much about polls and professional politics and so forth. Still, these days, I don't think a Republican has much of a chance if the conservatives all stay home. I like George Allen as I have thought he was (is) a genuine conservative. If his record makes him out to be a liberal, he won't survive an internet backlash. I think he is smart enough to know that. We shall see.

43 posted on 04/13/2006 12:44:59 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Old_Mil

"Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) opposes same-sex marriage but has yet to join his GOP colleagues who have come out in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment
http://www.washblade.com/2004/4-16/news/localnews/moran.cfm"

Your source is woefully out of date, and just plain wrong. Three months after that Blade article of yours was published in 2004, Sen. Allen voted for S J Res 40, which prohibits individual states from recognizing marital status and or legal benefits from any other unions other than that of a man and woman.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3440&can_id=CNIP9093
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"Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals."

Sen. Allen staunchly opposes any legislation allowing illegal immigrants to achieve citizenship without leaving the country first:

"I don't think we ought to be passing anything that rewards illegal behavior or amnesty. Is that different than the president's position? Apparently so, but I'm going to stick to the principle: First and foremost, we need to secure our borders," he said.

Allen said on This Week, "It may be several years down the road or months down the road - we can get a consensus on how you handle a good temporary worker system."

"We have neglected, as a government, the first responsibility - and that's to secure the border . . . first and foremost, we need to secure our borders."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/2/141737.shtml
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Face it. You're not going to get a major presidential candidate for 2008 with a stronger stand against illegal immigration. Tancredo said today that he's not running, and Brownback sold out to the Dems on the issue.


62 posted on 04/13/2006 2:54:07 PM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Old_Mil

Wishy-washy on immigration. Depends which way the wind is blowing. Supported him till recently but he's become a politician - an example of the need for term-limits.


113 posted on 04/14/2006 6:42:24 AM PDT by satan
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To: Old_Mil

Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals.
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/


This makes him unacceptable to me.


123 posted on 04/14/2006 7:18:07 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: Old_Mil

George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?

On June 15, Sen. George Allen (R-Virginia) horrified his constituents when he cast a vote against family values by adding “sexual orientation” to the Federal Hate Crimes Act. Sen. Allen’s support of the homosexual lobby directly contradicts his promise during his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2000 to oppose pro-homosexual legislation.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5883/CFI/family/index.htm

Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) opposes same-sex marriage but has yet to join his GOP colleagues who have come out in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment
http://www.washblade.com/2004/4-16/news/localnews/moran.cfm

Human Events Online wanted to know where Senate Republicans stood on open borders/amnesty, so it asked them:

The key question: Will the Senate approve an amnesty for illegal aliens?

The editors of Human Events define amnesty as granting any kind of legal residency status to an illegal alien without first making him return to his home country.

The immigration bill passed by the House in December does not include an amnesty.

Last week, we asked all 55 Republican senators (via their press secretaries): “Will you rule out voting this year for an immigration reform bill that converts illegal immigrants to legal guest workers without making them return to their home countries first?”

Most did not answer our question, but several senators did respond. We intend to keep asking. You can, too, by using the contact information below.

Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals.
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/

Based on this, I'd say that George Allen is not the sort of conservative that we need to nominate in 2008, and that if he was to be nominated, I would not vote for him.




Damn Straight My Friend.

Allen is to the left of Bush on both Social and Fiscal policy. And getting to the Left of Bush on spending is a tough act to do these days.


139 posted on 04/14/2006 8:34:49 AM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: Old_Mil

Oh, geez.... Not this old line of attack again. Next thing someone's going to say he's not really pro-life when he has a 100% pro-life voting record.

He's just about the ONLY U.S. Senator out there screaming we need to secure our borders.


225 posted on 04/17/2006 1:41:59 PM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Unofficial George Allen for President online store -- www.cafepress.com/georgeallen2008)
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