George Allen for President? (vanity)

http://www.georgeallen.com/site/c.hgITL5PKJtH/b.1434575/k.BEAC/Home.htm ^

[HHKrepublican_2]

I was just looking at Allens website for his senate re-election bid, his philosophy on Government is near perfect!! He has an all American family and his wife just has that first lady look to her which complements George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?

The Allen Family (left to right): Forrest, Brooke, Susan, George and Tyler

[Oliver Optic]

There seem to be different opinions on the "dynamic" factor.

Some articles I have read say he has a commanding presence and attractive personality.

The few speech clips I have heard from him are pretty powerful and eloquent in a regular guy sort of way.

Others have said he is flat in television interview. I can't comment since I haven't seen one.

[Coop]

Your pretty easily amused, a box of crayons must keep you in stitches.

Whatever I produced with said crayons would far exceed any substance in your posts. But keep telling us Virginians all about George Allen! :-D

[Blackirish]

Allen's a solid conservative

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Socially conservative yes.

Fiscally since he got in the Senate he drank the kool-aid and has been spending money like he hates the stuff .

[birbear]

Yeah, it could just be the few times I've seen him weren't particularly very good performances.

I heard him on Hannity (twice?) and saw him on Meet the dePressed. He didn't come across as a very enthusiastic candidate.

Others have mentioned other appearances where he was dynamic.

I wish him well... he sounds like a good man.

[Corin Stormhands]

Those are just the results of a google search, the fastest reference I had to post information I knew was correct.

And the information you "knew was correct" I proved incorrect.

That said, Allen has not waffled, if you understand the issues. And he has said he opposes amnesty. Anyone who thinks we're going to deport 10 million illegal aliens is dreaming. It's NOT going to happen. We have to accept that and figure the issue out from there.

You don't have to like Allen. You don't have to vote for him. But don't make your decision on incorrect information.

[Corin Stormhands]

I think Jackie will likely always hold that title, attractive as Mrs. Allen is.

hmmmmm...debatable...

[Corin Stormhands]

Others charge taxes went way up when he was gov.

Simply not true. Allen ran for Governor on a platform of four key issues: Abolition of Parole, Welfare Reform, Education Standards and Cutting Taxes.

He got three out of four, but was denied the tax cut by the (then) RAT-controlled General Assembly. But it was not because he didn't try.

And I can tell you one more thing. He was elected on those issues. And when he walked into office his senior staff had a plan that outlined the next four years and when they would attack each issue. With the exception of the tax cut, it worked beautifully.

[Corin Stormhands]

By most everybody... not the least will be the media.

Oh please. Other than McCain, can you name a Republican who won't get pounded by the media?

You folks haven't seen George Allen on the campaign trail. I have. Many times.

Never forget that he started out at a 30 pt. deficit against Mary Sue Terrier (two term Attorney General) in 1993. He won that election by 19 pts.

[Old_Mil]

Your source is woefully out of date, and just plain wrong. Three months after that Blade article of yours was published in 2004, Sen. Allen voted for S J Res 40, which prohibits individual states from recognizing marital status and or legal benefits from any other unions other than that of a man and woman.

This is really irrelevant as the original point was that Allen had not gotten on board with the idea of a federal marriage amendment. We know that when a liberal finds a law unpalatable, they merely go court shopping till they find a judge willing to overturn it. In light of this fact, there's really no excuse for a Republican nominee who claims to be a conservative to oppose a federal marriage amendment...unless of course he's going for that supermajority that all those log cabin Republican votes will give him (yeah, right).

Sen. Allen staunchly opposes any legislation allowing illegal immigrants to achieve citizenship without leaving the country first: Allen said on This Week, "It may be several years down the road or months down the road - we can get a consensus on how you handle a good temporary worker system."

In other words, Allen supports legislation that allows illegal immigrants to achieve citizenship after returning to their homelands and supports a guest worker program.

Face it. You're not going to get a major presidential candidate for 2008 with a stronger stand against illegal immigration. Tancredo said today that he's not running, and Brownback sold out to the Dems on the issue.

If Tancredo has announced that he's not running, that's a shame. If Allen's is the most conservative candidate this party can offer up in 2008, that's a greater shame.

[Ligeia]

This is really irrelevant as the original point was that Allen had not gotten on board with the idea of a federal marriage amendment. We know that when a liberal finds a law unpalatable, they merely go court shopping till they find a judge willing to overturn it. In light of this fact, there's really no excuse for a Republican nominee who claims to be a conservative to oppose a federal marriage amendment...unless of course he's going for that supermajority that all those log cabin Republican votes will give him (yeah, right).

Allen has a wide libertarian streak that gets him in hot water with conservatives sometimes. I'm going to guess that's what happened here and he decided to take the conservative position as opposed to the libertarian one.

The important thing is he's with us now.

[Verginius Rufus]

Of course, Andrew Johnson was never elected President.

Of the 8 Virginia-born Presidents, only 4 were elected from Virginia--Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe.

William Henry Harrison was elected from Ohio. John Tyler was never elected President. Zachary Taylor (who was only eight months old when his family moved to Kentucky) was a resident of Louisiana when elected President. Woodrow Wilson was elected from New Jersey.

[Corin Stormhands]

This is really irrelevant as the original point was that Allen had not gotten on board with the idea of a federal marriage amendment. We know that when a liberal finds a law unpalatable, they merely go court shopping till they find a judge willing to overturn it. In light of this fact, there's really no excuse for a Republican nominee who claims to be a conservative to oppose a federal marriage amendment...unless of course he's going for that supermajority that all those log cabin Republican votes will give him (yeah, right).

Did you even bother to read the article?

Reid said Allen believes the Defense of Marriage Act, which Congress passed in 1996, is sufficient to protect the institution of marriage in the United States. The act, known as DOMA, defines marriage under federal law as a union between a man and a woman and declares that no state can be forced to recognize same-sex marriages performed in another state.

“He would only support a constitutional amendment if it becomes absolutely necessary,” said Reid. Right now, Allen believes DOMA “has already resolved this issue,” Reid said.

What you people have yet to learn about Allen is that he will not vote the party line just because it's the party line. He will think though and read up on each issue before making a decision.

What you also have to understand is that he's not about pushing or supporting legislation just because. He has to believe that it's actually necessary. He won't support a law just because it's ~there~.

THAT's conservatism. THATS's limited government.

[NewLand]

This George Allen?

He has a better chance...

[Ligeia]

“He would only support a constitutional amendment if it becomes absolutely necessary,” said Reid. Right now, Allen believes DOMA “has already resolved this issue,” Reid said.

What year was that article? It's important to note that Allen has since realized that DOMA hasn't resolved the issue and is now a cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA).

“I believe strongly that marriage is the union of one man and one woman. That is why I am a cosponsor of a Marriage Amendment to the Constitution to protect the institution of marriage.” -- George Allen

source

[Corin Stormhands]

What year was that article?

That was April of '04. In July of '04 he voted in favor of the amendment.

[Old_Mil]

So what you're saying is that George Allen didn't feel the need for a federal marriage amendment before he felt the need for one. He didn't think there was anything wrong with adding homosexuals to hate crimes legislation before he thought that there was something wrong with it. Finally, he didn't think that there was anything wrong with amnesty and guest workers before he did.

Sounds an awful lot like a Candidate named Kerry.

[Corin Stormhands]

ohfertheluvva...yer hopeless...

[Ligeia]

I'll put you down as undecided.

[Blackirish]

Allen has a wide libertarian streak that gets him in hot water with conservatives sometimes........he decided to take the conservative position as opposed to the libertarian one.

The important thing is he's with us now.

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As far as I'm concerned having a wide libertarian streak is being conservative. Keeping the government small and off our backs ...unlike a segment of FR's who call themselves conservatives but in reality are obsessed with gays and abortion and care much less about spending and the obscene size of our government If Allen has a libertarian streak well good for him.

But I guess y'all will get his mind right. Why worry about the budget..the borders,,,articulating a conservative vision .....the WOT ....when there are queers out there.

[Ligeia]

Why worry about the budget..the borders,,,articulating a conservative vision .....the WOT

The issues you list are vitally important. We were being asked about Allen's positions on the moral issues and were responding to those questions. No one meant to imply that the areas you list aren't critical.

His 2006 re-election website was just launched this week and I'm hoping his staff will continue to add more detailed information regarding policy. You should find some helpful information there regarding stances on issues nonetheless.

As regards immigration, you may have seen this article posted earlier: George Allen Splits with Bush on Immigration .

Another source of information is his U.S. Senate site