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IMMIGRATION POLITICS: MARCHING MADNESS (pro-aliens deranged conduct hurting cause)
NY POST ^ | April 11, 2006 | JOHN PODHERETZ

Posted on 04/11/2006 4:46:47 AM PDT by Liz

........the idea that something has to be done about illegal immigration is in part due to politically deranged conduct on the part of those who claim to be working on behalf of illegal aliens. The demonstrations that have drawn hundreds of thousands to the streets in cities across the country in the past few days - are politically incomprehensible.

If their purpose is to influence the political debate in a direction favorable to the interests of illegal aliens, then their organizers are deluded.

The rapidly rising concern about the issue is a clear indication that the first round of demonstrations a few weeks ago, featuring Mexican flags dominating American flags and wild talk about American imperialism, were self-defeating......they are still in violation of the laws of the United States. The more people demonstrate on their behalf, the more the illegality of their actions is highlighted.

Americans are a law-abiding people, and they don't go for that sort of thing.

The demonstrations are the best advertisements possible for the idea that America must get tough on illegal immigrants and tighten its immigration policies.

That's what's so peculiar about these demonstrations. There is no chance on earth that Congress is going to adopt a wildly liberal set of policies on illegal immigration......immigration interest groups and others seem intent on radicalizing the debate, in making it clear to many people.....that the pro-immigrant side is nuts and the anti-immigrant side is more sensible.

Which is why the demonstrations make no sense from a sheerly partisan standpoint either. If they're designed to help the Democratic Party in its pursuit of majority status in the House and Senate in November 2006, then their organizers are profoundly stupid.............

No matter how you slice it, these demonstrations were and are a horrible mistake.

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To: IamConservative

The Limbaugh Laws on Immigration:

First, if you immigrate to the United States of America, you must speak the native language.

Secondly, you have to be a professional or an investor. Unskilled workers will not be allowed.

There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, no government business will be conducted in your native language.

Foreigners will not have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here, nor will they ever be allowed to hold political office.

According to the Limbaugh Laws, if you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled, ever, to welfare, to food stamps, or other government goodies.

You can come if you invest here, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If you don't know have that amount of money, you can't come and invest. You have to stay home.

If you do come and you want to buy land, okay, but we're going to restrict your options. You will not be allowed to buy waterfront property in the United States.

That will be reserved for citizens naturally born in this country.

In fact, as a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to property.

You don't have the right to protest when you come here. You're allowed no demonstrations, you cannot wave a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, or you get sent home. You're a foreigner. You shut your mouth or you get out, and if you come here illegally, you go straight to jail and we're going to hunt you down 'til we find you.

These are the Limbaugh Laws----pretty harsh, eh?

Now brace yourself: Every one of the Limbaugh Laws mentioned above are actual laws of Mexico on the books today----this is Mexican immigration law and how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country.


Now isn't it ironic that Mexicans and others sneak across our borders illegally, they protest in our streets, they get on our welfare program, and members of the United States Senate of both parties, are doing handstands and back flips, going through every contortion possible to allow it to continue just so it doesn't make these illegals mad.


41 posted on 04/11/2006 5:38:41 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: EternalVigilance

Agree with the major points of the article. However, we should resist being portrayed as "anti-immigrant". This is a sloppy use of language.


43 posted on 04/11/2006 5:42:24 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: rhombus

Absolutely.


44 posted on 04/11/2006 5:43:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org - America wasn't built and defended by those who whined "It's too hard!")
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To: Mo1

Problem is ID'ing these suckers at the polls----they use phony documentation---another violation of our laws.

We need to go to biometric scanning to validate voters.


45 posted on 04/11/2006 5:44:51 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: duckman
congress, will do what they want when they want to.

and American citizens don't figure into these rep's plans. How does it feel to be considered second-class citizens in your own country, and to know illegals carry more weight with our congress than you, the American citizen?

Personally, I'm more than ticked!!

46 posted on 04/11/2006 5:46:04 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: Liz

Thanks for your post #41. Very informative.


47 posted on 04/11/2006 5:48:52 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: EternalVigilance
The bottom line point is that these demonstrations are helping us, not them.

Maybe in the short term yes, maybe not in the long term. Here in DC we had Dem politicians like Kennedy and Moran capitalizing on it and the crowd chanted "Today we march, tomorrow we vote." A number of the speakers promised that politicians who opposed what they wanted would be targetted. It was a thinly veiled threat. I have no doubt that the Dem political machine, which has perfected voter fraud, will be happy to add these "undocumented workers" to the voter rolls. The Dems see Hispanics as their lock on political power in the future. One in every three Dem voters now is either black or Hispanic. Since Hispanics are the country's largest and fastest growing minority, the Dems want them to identify with their party. It seems to be working. Every time a Rep name was mentioned, the booing started. This was a Dem crowd.

Mexican immigrants constituted 27.6 percent of the total foreign-born U.S. population in 2000. The next largest contingents, Chinese and Filipinos, amounted to only 4.9 percent and 4.3 percent of the foreign-born population.

In the 1990s, Mexicans composed more than half of the new Latin American immigrants to the United States and, by 2000, Hispanics totaled about one half of all migrants entering the continental United States. Hispanics composed 12 percent of the total U.S. population in 2000. This group increased by almost 10 percent from 2000 to 2002 and has now become larger than blacks. It is estimated Hispanics may constitute up to 25 percent of the U.S. population by 2050. These changes are driven not just by immigration but also by fertility. In 2002, fertility rates in the United States were estimated at 1.8 for non-Hispanic whites, 2.1 for blacks, and 3.0 for Hispanics. “This is the characteristic shape of developing countries,” The Economist commented in 2002. “As the bulge of Latinos enters peak child-bearing age in a decade or two, the Latino share of America's population will soar.”

It also helps to have the Catholic Church supporting the illegals. It legitimizes them and places them in a victim status. Cardinal McCarrick spoke at the rally, mostly in Spanish.

I strongly support securing our borders and enforcing our laws, but the Dems have framed the issue successfully, i.e., pro-immigrant versus anti-immigrant with the GOP being the anti-immigrant party. It remains to be seen how this translates into political power, but the GOP should not pander to the illegals regardless. The Dems will get all the "credit" anyway.

48 posted on 04/11/2006 5:51:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Toby06

i want them marching at least once a week.
our turd world neighborhood was transformed back into a normal nabe for a few hours..and there was business as usual without groups of loitering men and the filth they generate daily.Their "day without mexicans " was a huge success.


49 posted on 04/11/2006 5:55:29 AM PDT by catroina54 (not being sarcastic either)
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To: Liz
Now isn't it ironic that Mexicans and others sneak across our borders illegally, they protest in our streets, they get on our welfare program, and members of the United States Senate of both parties, are doing handstands and back flips, going through every contortion possible to allow it to continue just so it doesn't make these illegals mad.

That should make about everyone's blood boil. I can't say I have ever seen a more substantial and profound illustration of the corruptive nature of political power. This issue is about voting demographics to these clowns.

50 posted on 04/11/2006 5:55:42 AM PDT by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: Liz

There were not many counter-demonstrators because we have jobs.


51 posted on 04/11/2006 5:56:06 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: From One - Many
because we refuse to make ourselves and our politicians grow a spine.

It's Syracuse all over again.

52 posted on 04/11/2006 5:57:46 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: kabar

I think it is a big mistake for us to be devoting ourselves to organizing counter marches...ie reacting to them.

Until now, we have had the initiative.

We can still keep it, if we don't take their bait.

All of our efforts, IMO, should now be directed towards directing ever more pressure on the House and Senate to reject amnesty and to enforce the border and the laws.

IOW, we can do more good on the phones, faxes, emails, etc. than we can on the streets.


53 posted on 04/11/2006 6:00:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org - America wasn't built and defended by those who whined "It's too hard!")
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To: Liz
There is no chance on earth that Congress is going to adopt a wildly liberal set of policies on illegal immigration.

I predict Congress will do what it always does. Each individual will act in his/her own personal interest. Most likely this means they will do nothing until after the November elections and blame others for the inaction. If public pressure becomes too intense, they will pass something, but it will not be enforced. Meanwhile more thousands of illegals will pour across the border.

54 posted on 04/11/2006 6:05:01 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: EternalVigilance

you, I believe, are correct.


55 posted on 04/11/2006 6:09:57 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: EternalVigilance
I think it is a big mistake for us to be devoting ourselves to organizing counter marches...ie reacting to them.

I agree with you. We can't match their numbers or enthusiasm. Smaller turnouts would create the impression that we are in the minority, when actually, American public opinion is overwhelmingly on the side of tougher enforcement of our laws and securing our borders.

56 posted on 04/11/2006 6:10:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Liz
Americans are a law-abiding people, and they don't go for that sort of thing.

Americans don't care. As long as we can Tivo American Idol, let the illegals do their illegal things and glory in it by the hundreds of thousands. I've given up hope for the country; I have hope in my family and in God, but this country is bent on self destruction.

57 posted on 04/11/2006 6:13:20 AM PDT by Theo
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To: pennboricua

"This is my America, to which I have pledged allegiance, I am mad as hell and am not gonna take it anymore!"


I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!

EVERYONE!


58 posted on 04/11/2006 6:19:30 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (To Serve Man......It's a cookbook!)
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To: Liz

I like his hopeful point-of-view, but I don't understand. To me, if the Democrats register all these illegals - and there seems to be nothing to be done re checking immigration status at the polls -- then they will flood the vote. If the Democrats pander to them, it doesn't matter how logical they are not, they will get the votes. If we hate seeing these demonstrations, so what? And why does he think Congress WON'T pass some bend-over bill to grant them all Amnesty? (Note to self: Must listen to Rush and Laura Ingraham this morning. They are so positive.)


59 posted on 04/11/2006 6:24:27 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Liz
I hope they keep it up. Liberals are profoundly stupid but then again its not always like you can count on them to act in their own best interests. And what the Democratic Party is doing by taking the side of illegal aliens is telling the American people to go take a hike on the question of securing the borders. They're showing that concern for our national security is not in their political DNA. Its like the 60s all over again with their party.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

60 posted on 04/11/2006 6:25:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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