IMMIGRATION POLITICS: MARCHING MADNESS (pro-aliens deranged conduct hurting cause)

NY POST ^ | April 11, 2006 | JOHN PODHERETZ

[Liz]

........the idea that something has to be done about illegal immigration is in part due to politically deranged conduct on the part of those who claim to be working on behalf of illegal aliens. The demonstrations that have drawn hundreds of thousands to the streets in cities across the country in the past few days - are politically incomprehensible.

If their purpose is to influence the political debate in a direction favorable to the interests of illegal aliens, then their organizers are deluded.

The rapidly rising concern about the issue is a clear indication that the first round of demonstrations a few weeks ago, featuring Mexican flags dominating American flags and wild talk about American imperialism, were self-defeating......they are still in violation of the laws of the United States. The more people demonstrate on their behalf, the more the illegality of their actions is highlighted.

Americans are a law-abiding people, and they don't go for that sort of thing.

The demonstrations are the best advertisements possible for the idea that America must get tough on illegal immigrants and tighten its immigration policies.

That's what's so peculiar about these demonstrations. There is no chance on earth that Congress is going to adopt a wildly liberal set of policies on illegal immigration......immigration interest groups and others seem intent on radicalizing the debate, in making it clear to many people.....that the pro-immigrant side is nuts and the anti-immigrant side is more sensible.

Which is why the demonstrations make no sense from a sheerly partisan standpoint either. If they're designed to help the Democratic Party in its pursuit of majority status in the House and Senate in November 2006, then their organizers are profoundly stupid.............

No matter how you slice it, these demonstrations were and are a horrible mistake.

[dvan]

Good Points!

[Timeout]

None of them are valid. You know this.

You mean the documents? Well, no I don't know that. There are probably millions of valid green cards, visas, etc.

OR maybe by "not valid" you mean they should never have been issued in the first place. Perhaps, but that doesn't address the issue at hand...how to identify them now.

[dvan]

I agree with your national I.D. card. I was over 30 years on the U.S./Mexican border with the Border Patrol and the U.S. Customs Service. Since homeland security has combined Immigration/Border Patrol and Customs into the I.C.E., standards, morale and efficiency have fallen greatly.

The only good thing to come about is the disabling of the unions which hampered operations and increased operating expenses.

The government's solution to solve the I.D. problem is to require ALL U.S. citizens to present U.S. Passports upon returning from visits to adjacent Mexican cities. This is a ridiculous idea IMHO since U.S. passports have, can and are being forged and counterfeited. I have crossed recently and been advised that I will need a U.S. passport
when I return from a short visit across the border. The the absense of a U.S PP how can I prove my citizenship? A government I.D., birth certificate and etc.? Interrogation to satify the admitting officers?

What proof is required to obtain a U.S. Passport? A valid birth certificate. Which can also be acquired illegally. Passports are bulky and expensive to acquire. Formerly they were only required for travel to distant countries and locations. The visa for the country visited was stamped in the passport.

A U.S. citizen I.D.card has been issued for many years. Tightening up on these cards and insuring that they are as foolproof , as possible, makes more sense.

Having the applicant appear in person before a government agency to acquire them while presenting proof of citizenship, residency and employment, past or present and making a sworn statement makes more sense. Anyone else have any suggestions?

[Sender]

It wouldn't be terribly hard to close the border. It WOULD be very hard to eject the 20 million illegals here now...and that is a political nightmare that no politician wants to face. You know the very same MSM that regularly trashes Bush and all things conservative, who only shows deaths from Iraq and rants about evil corrupt Republicans? They would festoon the airwaves with endless video of mothers and babies being rounded up and deported, edited of course to make it appear cruel and barbaric. Then they would roast the politicians that made it happen. Not to mention the big business interests that are desperate to keep their Mexican undercaste here to boost their profits. Any politician that actually does the deed will be at the same time a hero and yet labelled the worst tyrant since Hitler.

I say that first things first, we close the border. Period. Then we can discuss the gigantic influx we have already absorbed. One thing at a time.

[Liz]

All of this demonstrates the mindset of invasion rather than immigration-----The Plan by illegals to overthrow the US government----and US politicians will preside at the giveaway. Here's what we have to look forward to:

Reconquista Armando Navarro 'Ethnic Studies' Professor at the University of California, Riverside Anti-American, Fifth-Column Menace. "Ladies and Gentlemen, what this means (the immigration bill) is a transfer of power, it means control, and it is the young people, the people who are now moving to develop an agenda for the twenty first century they are going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, even in the terms of an Aztlan...."

[Choose Ye This Day]

That's make for a nice tagline.

[Timeout]

As a former Border Patrol agent, it's encouraging to know you agree. I just don't see any other way to sort out legals from illegals.

It would also address Sender's post...the horrid footage the nightly news would show of any round-ups or forced deportations. Under my suggestion they would simply be slowly squeeezed out by a system that only includes LEGALS. There would be no victims, simply those without the credentials to join. It's much simpler than trying to identify a population of whom we don't know who they are or where they live.

Last, I would like for Republicans to REFUSE to discuss citizenship options until AFTER Dems have agreed to solutions for the border and not before we've installed a system for determining who's legal.

PS: Dvan
Do you think a fence would work?

[nonliberal]

Yet we continue to vote Republican. We are stupid, stupid people.