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Migrant issue divides Latinos-Dissenting voices drowned out by pro-immigrant rallies
Az Republic ^ | 10 april 2006 | Daniel González

Posted on 04/10/2006 9:27:20 AM PDT by aft_lizard

Edited on 04/10/2006 9:37:55 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; american; arizona; citizens; division; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrants; latinos; legals; phoenix; prejudice
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0410stance0410.html
1 posted on 04/10/2006 9:27:23 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: aft_lizard; Admin Moderator

If I am in violation of posting rules please delete. I think its important that people know about the legal hispanic communities opinions.


2 posted on 04/10/2006 9:28:53 AM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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To: aft_lizard

bttt


3 posted on 04/10/2006 9:32:46 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0410stance0410.html
4 posted on 04/10/2006 9:34:02 AM PDT by randita
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To: aft_lizard

"Migrant issue divides Latinos"

Yep, some marched down 5th street and the rest down 6th.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 9:34:24 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: aft_lizard

Arizona Republic is a Gannett publication - and therefore no excerpts are allowed. But you can post the header and the link and begin a discussion thread.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 9:35:14 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: aft_lizard
OK, I've had it and I have to express my frustration. I was returning from breakfast Sunday morning in Santa Maria California when I came upon a march of "Mexican unity". There were about 500-700 marchers orderly and well organized. 20 Or so of our police were escorting the marchers and providing traffic control. Two marchers at the head of the column were carrying Mexican flags. I didn't spend 20 years in the military so a foreign national could raise a foreign flag on our hallowed land while being protected by our police. I stopped the truck and was headed for the flag carriers with the intent of bringing down those flags when my wife and daughter stopped me. I realized that if I triggered a riot they would be in danger and I relented.

I am profoundly offended and ashamed. From the revolutionary war to Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom my family have fought and died for this country. My Government has abandoned their sacrifice and is allowing a continuing insult of a foreign flag to be carried on our soil. The next one I see I will take down. Jail me if you must but I will not stand for it any more.
7 posted on 04/10/2006 9:36:58 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (labor unions are socialism's shock troops)
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To: aft_lizard

I have to agree with them. We do need immigration reform. It just may not be what they have in mind.


8 posted on 04/10/2006 9:37:10 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: L98Fiero
"Migrant issue divides Latinos"

Yep, some marched down 5th street and the rest down 6th.

Sorry, but my wife is a native-born American citizen who is Latina. And she's more against illegal immigration than I am - probably because she lived in the barrio and saw firsthand the problems with illegal immigration.

I think it's safe to say that those most opposed to illegal immigration are the ones who have had to deal with it.

9 posted on 04/10/2006 9:37:50 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: aft_lizard
Title and link only for the AZ Republic, unfortunately. However, this is an extremely important article and deserves to have wide distribution. Here is a clickable link:

Migrant issue divides Latinos; Dissenting voices drowned out by pro-immigrant rallies

The gist of the article is that the Latino community is deeply divided on this issue, especially those who came here legally and those who have been in the country for a long time. They oppose the marches, object to allowing undocumented immigrants to earn citizenship, and want the government to crack down.

This thread needs to be read by all!

10 posted on 04/10/2006 9:38:22 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: dirtboy

Thanks.


11 posted on 04/10/2006 9:39:15 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: CedarDave

And what the current illegals are going to find out, is that once they are legal, they won't be able to get jobs because the new crop of illegals will take them.


12 posted on 04/10/2006 9:39:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: CedarDave
especially those who came here legally and those who have been in the country for a long time.

So, in other words, when certain elements of the GOP say they are courting the Hispanic vote by wanting to pass amnesty, they are actually running against the position of most Hispanic citizens who can currently vote!. Which shows that position is nonsense.

13 posted on 04/10/2006 9:41:37 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Yer welcome! We need to drive home the fact that the Hispanic population of this country is not monolithic on the subject of illegal immigration. Heck, they're hardly monolithic on much of anything.


14 posted on 04/10/2006 9:42:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: CedarDave

The other key issue is (because invariably the question will be, "Well, then, why don't the anti-illegal/anti-amnesty Hispanics organize a demonstration?") that truly assimilated Hispanics aren't organized because they rarely join organizations with the word "Latino..." or "Hispanic..." anywhere in the organization's name. You'll more likely find them with other Americans down at the Lion's Club or the Jaycees or the trade association for their particular area of work.


15 posted on 04/10/2006 9:43:05 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: dirtboy

There are some FReepers for whom I've given up hope on ever understanding this point.


16 posted on 04/10/2006 9:44:25 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: Ben Mugged

You and I are cut from the same cloth.

I am purposely avoiding driving by the federal courthouse today, because I don't want to go to jail. It would be all too easy to go Buford Pusser on those dipsh*ts.


17 posted on 04/10/2006 9:45:15 AM PDT by 4U2OUI (losing what I thought was sanity...and liking it.)
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To: Ben Mugged

I agree with you and while I can't share your feelings (as I was 4-F) I can imagine how it must feel. NO MEXICAN FLAGS flying over anywhere but "Six Flags." And even then, I'd watch them carefully.


18 posted on 04/10/2006 9:47:22 AM PDT by LS
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To: dirtboy

The article says surveys suggest that many U.S.-born Latinos, especially the middle class and middle-aged, support immigration but don't like illegal immigration. They talk about it among themselves and their families but do not actively espouse their views for fear of being ostracized in the larger community.


19 posted on 04/10/2006 9:47:41 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: dirtboy
I think it's safe to say that those most opposed to illegal immigration are the ones who have had to deal with it.

Exactly. We say that we are a nation governed by the Rule of Law. Our entire nation is made up of immigrants if you go back enough generations, so it's not "immigration" that has everyone so angry. It's that so many before have yearned for American citizenship, and counted it a blessed thing, and waited many years and played by the rules, and consider it a very precious thing, to be appreciated and respected.

To have criminal invaders play a game of "squatter's rights", and try to bypass the system and cut to the front of the line, and then get in our faces with Mexican flags and a list of demands, is galling to all of us, but especially to all those who have done it right, and actually appreciate the value of what they have.

20 posted on 04/10/2006 9:48:09 AM PDT by Ryan Spock
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