Posted on 04/09/2006 4:49:32 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
Sunday, April 9th, 2006
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.; U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.; Reps. Henry Bonilla, R-Texas, Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., and J.D. Hayworth, R-Ariz.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Reps. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.; General Motors Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Richard Wagoner.
THIS WEEK (ABC): House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio; former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson; actress and animal activist Bernadette Peters.
LATE EDITION (CNN) : Kerry; Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.; Khalilzad; retired Gen. Anthony Zinni..
The thought of Kerry at the Wall, evokes thoughts not mentionable here on FR..
I really doubt everything will change overnight, nor will any plan be put in force that quickly. Wages will increase, logically, and that will be something people have to consider in making purchasing decisions.
All I can comment on is keeping wages artificially low, due to the availability of cheap illegal labor is not a good long term economic model.
Hey- I know you are so busy..bless you heart...
just bookmark this for later....you can read it after your hard work is done today......this thread is VERY VERY INTERESTING... the article itself is not the REAL MEAT-- lost of great links by FReepers throughout the thread....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts
The problem with this, PD, is that Vicente Fox is not running.
So you work for the assumption it is a problem and go find data to verify your opinions. Advocacy, not scholarship. impact on our society economically, culturally, and historically.
Why do none of your groups cite the gains then? It 100% negative. Again that is advocacy not scholarship.
What we are seeing now is unprecedented. We are in uncharted waters. We may quibble about some of the numbers and the economic impact, but huge numbers of illegal aliens are entering our country and their impact no longer is confined to the border states. As a matter of public policy and national security, something needs to be done to secure our borders and identify who is illegally in our country.
Again, not a statement of objectivity but of advocacy. Notice this statement by the groups you cited?
By design, our estimates for the size and characteristics of the illegal population are very similar to those prepared by the Census Bureau, the INS, and the Urban Institute.
"Similar too" but they do not actually cite the sources. Sorry High School football is ALSO "similar too" NFL football but no one would confuse the two.
Again, every one of your sources is an anti Illegal advocacy group. Sorry but my point has not been answered. You are using data presented by people with a biased viewpoint. They are NOT presenting any of the facts that do NOT fit their preconceived notion. Maybe they are right, maybe their assumptions are way off. The numbers they throw around are THEIR data. There is NO way to independently verify any of it. This is the SAME sort of "Data" used to justify the Tobacco Lawsuits and Gun Control laws.
It is ADVOCACY not research. Most obvious problem. NO cost benefit analysis. Simply a statement of costs. That only one side. Maybe they are right. YOU do not know. I do not know. You choose to believe the data because it fits your opinions. I do NOT know. Maybe it is right, maybe not. The problem is, like all one sides arguments, it seems so obviously factual because it is meant to be like a lawyer presenting a case. They are not telling you the OTHER side of the coin. Curious, if the Labor Unions are the people bankrolling the "Immigration" groups you cited, does that make you question the veracity of the data? It should.
This is not objective data, it is data based on "proving" an agenda. You may accept it on faith since it fits your personal feelings. I do not accept it since I know enough Economics to know the assumptions underlying this are completely one sided.
How much goods and services do your "176,000" plus illegals in NC buy? How much tax revenue does that economic activity generate? How much of the cost blamed on illegal are actually perfectly normal changes based on the inflationary pressures of a aging and growing population? What is the cost to the US Economy in lost activity and productivity of a 1 or 5 or 7% increase in labor costs? I don't know. However, I admit that. The Advocacy groups do not.
Tell me more, anita.
I've always been curious about what happened between Laura and her fiance..surely he didn't bolt because of the cancer, but if he's dating Katie....
My gosh, who could go from smart, beautiful Laura to Katie.....
Why aren't you down at the DU where you belong?
Hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and their supporters voluntarily stepped out of the shadows last week by waving the Mexican flag and marching in the streets. The blatant flaunting of their illegal status in cities across the nation was in protest of legislation passed by the U.S. House that, if enacted, will create felons out of the approximately 11 million illegal aliens currently residing on American soil.
The arrogant sense of entitlement displayed by many illegal aliens has caused some of them to demand protection of constitutional rights guaranteed to legal U.S. citizens. Many of them even equate their situation to the civil rights struggle by black Americans in the 1950s and 1960s. Dolores Huerta, co-founder with Cesar Chavez of the United Farm Workers Union (UFWU), said last week at a rally, “We’re here celebrating a new civil rights movement, and it’s headed up by Latinos.” Ms. Huerta is deliberately misleading her followers. There is no parallel between the struggle by legal black U.S. citizens to secure their constitutionally guaranteed protections and the claim on non-existent civil rights made by millions of illegal aliens. Illegal is not a civil right.
Leaders of the long struggle for civil rights aspired to secure and protect rights based on an ideal written in the Declaration of Independence and later codified in the U.S. Constitution. That is, that all men and women are created equal, and in the U.S. all legal citizens will be guaranteed equal protection of the laws.
The 20th Century civil rights movement was preceded by nearly 250 years of slavery, followed by nearly a century of discrimination, segregation and Jim Crow laws. The movement ultimately achieved a number of legal and legislative victories, including the 1954 Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
The key difference between the civil rights movement of the 19th and 20th Centuries and the call today for protection of non-existent rights by leaders of illegal aliens is that the leaders of the civil rights movement were fighting to secure and protect the rights of legal citizens. If illegal aliens were conferred the same constitutional rights as legal U.S. citizens, the benefits and uniqueness of U.S. citizenship would cease to have meaning and our nation would lose its sovereignty.
The leaders of the civil rights movement did not seek extra-constitutional rights or benefits. They merely sought the protection of their right to participate fully in society and government with the vote, and they sought to overturn the discriminatory laws that prevented them from participating fully in the economy. Conversely, leaders of the movement to secure rights for illegal aliens – as well as their supporters in Congress – want to undermine and destroy the Constitution and the rights it guarantees legal U.S. citizens.
Just as Ms. Huerta is misleading her followers on the facts of the 20th Century civil rights movement, she is deliberately deceiving them about Cesar Chavez’s views toward illegal aliens. Steve Salier, in the February 27, 2006 issue of The American Conservative, writes that the late Mr. Chavez was a successful labor organizer and union leader who fought for reforms in wages and working conditions for farm workers. Chavez keenly understood the basic relationship between wages and labor supply in a market economy – more supply equals lower wages. To protect the interests of his UFWU members, Chavez had to insure that illegal aliens willing to toil in harsh conditions for low pay did not dilute the domestic labor supply.
Cesar Chavez was surely proud of his Hispanic heritage but, like civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., he fought to protect the rights and interests of legal U.S. citizens.
In 1858 Abraham Lincoln delivered his “House Divided” speech to the Illinois Republican State Convention. Regarding the issue of slavery Lincoln stated, “A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved – I do not expect the house to fall – but I do expect it will cease to be divided.”
Similarly, a nation divided between its laws and lawlessness cannot stand.
President Bush and Congress are sending a message to legal U.S. citizens and the world that they are willing to tolerate a “house divided” by allowing 11 million illegal aliens to openly break the law. They are then willing to stand by and watch the illegal aliens flaunt their lawbreaking in our streets while waving the flag of their native country.
We are a nation of legal immigrants, and there is a road to citizenship. Along that road are legal entry, our Constitution, the rule of law and the flag of the United States of America.
Herman Cain is host of the nationally syndicated radio talk show The Bottom Line with Herman Cain and a contributing columnist on Townhall.com.
I vote for Brit
Fence jumper at the White House...
maybe they just want a job?
If Fox's successor is a communist,
and,
if he should win,
Wouldn't he close the borders like Russia did and Cuba does???
Maybe we should encourage his election.
(just joking -- sort of)
Makes met want to run out a buy a "Godfathers Pizza" --
ROFLLL!!
Dane needs therapy....
I am sincere in this belief....
By the way. I would bet there are numerous macro and micro economists working on various models now because it's in the news so much. One of my degrees is in economics but I know there are tons of people who know more than I'll ever know about it, and there are going to be so-called experts coming out on both sides of the issue. There are so many variables involved that it is folly to say any one specific outcome is the only one possible.
Maybe I'm wrong but the bottom line to me seems to be what is right, versus all the good or bad assumptions. As a point of national values, illegal aliens workers are not good for our country. We need to figure ways to get them to leave or allow them to stay, but they should not be here illegally. Nor is it fair to punish a contractor who hires legal workers because he's in competition with companies who hire illegals so they can unfairly compete.
ROFLLLL!!!
YOU ROCK!!!!
YOU SO ROCK!!
THIS is the most WITTY Post I have seen all day!!!
I will say it again...
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Construction labor ... just imagine all the rebuilding from the last couple of years in FL and LA alone... is in huge demand, and will be an ongoing growth job sector for years, IMO. I don't see LA coming back to halfway there for 6-8 years (some are predicting 25 yrs. total), and I'm giving FL at least another 5 years of serious rebuilding in the hurricane damaged areas. There are still blue tarps in FL from the 2004 season, and the lack of available contractors in some areas is resulting in huge delays in rebuilding/repairing.
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This article discusses critical issues for state road projects nationwide but also illustrates the big picture issue of construction labor, supplies generally.
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"We're doing the things we believe we can reasonably accomplish. If the Asian market keeps going the way it is, there's not a lot of control we have over that, but we can try to make ourselves more competitive against the limited resources," said Ross Chittenden, chief of transportation programming for the California Transportation Authority.
"California officials are also doing everything they can to woo contractors, in an attempt to be the "customer of choice" for contractors who are also in high demand in the Gulf Coast, China and Iraq."
California authorities received an extra $2.4 billion this year to keep up with the demand. Despite the increase, "we will have to defer projects in coming fiscal years because of rising costs," said Rick Land, the department's chief engineer.
Hurricane clean up along the Gulf Coast has made it more difficult and costly to hire laborers. Consequently, contract bids are coming in well over the estimates, said David Graham, director of construction for the Georgia Department of Transportation.
Georgia deferred 84 projects of 476 in 2005 and expects a similar scenario this year, Graham said.
"Equipment operators, truck drivers and laborers are getting tougher to find," he said.
Georgia authorities plan to start recruiting contractors from other states, in hopes of getting more competitive bids. They're also considering splitting up big jobs, giving smaller contractors a piece of the pie.
Finding laborers to transport road-building materials also has officials wringing their hands in hurricane-ravaged Mississippi, where beached barges litter the coastline.
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No doubt construction jobs are plentiful and will be for the long term .. do Americans want these jobs? Just asking.
Hey Rodguy, nice threads(suit) in the Wedding picture. Beautiful Bride,Handsome groom,Proud, Adoring Daddy with a smile that is forever. Happiness and joy are evident on all Family members. The setting looks like it could be part of a James Michener Novel,just a glorious,Romantic Scene. Nothing like living in Paradise, eh Rodguy?
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